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AZPaul3
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Message 121 of 127 (896776)
08-21-2022 9:44 PM
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08-21-2022 8:20 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
Astrophysics encouraged learning russian...
These days it's mandarin.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 122 of 127 (896777)
08-21-2022 11:27 PM
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08-21-2022 9:44 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
AZPaul3 quips
These days it's mandarin.
I can't remember reading any specific Chinese astrophysics books, but the first book by Carl Sagan I read was his first one: an updating of a translated 1963 book by the Russian astronomer I S Shklovskii. This collaboration, published under both their names, was titled Intelligent Life in the Universe (1966).
In it they discuss SETI and at the end humorously, but seriously, go into length about whether there is life on Earth and how ET might be able to detect it.

Edited by xongsmith, : fix line break in middle of I S Shklovskii's name.


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Message 123 of 127 (896780)
08-22-2022 10:30 AM
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08-21-2022 5:46 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
I assumed that too, but he really needs to fill us in so we can follow his myriad conspiracy theories.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 124 of 127 (896783)
08-22-2022 11:08 AM
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08-22-2022 10:30 AM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
CCP = Crazy Conspiracy Phat.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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dwise1
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Message 125 of 127 (896785)
08-22-2022 1:07 PM
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08-21-2022 11:27 PM


Re: Fiat Money Pros & Cons
In it they discuss SETI and at the end humorously, but seriously, go into length about whether there is life on Earth and how ET might be able to detect it.
I've always maintained that the problem for artificial intelligence is that there's nothing in nature to pattern it after.

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Message 126 of 127 (896786)
08-22-2022 2:17 PM
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08-22-2022 1:07 PM


AI in the Mirror
there's nothing in nature to pattern it after.
Of course there is ... us. Our goal, our model, the capabilities and the processes we seek to emulate in our AI efforts has always been the human brain.
Because we do not comprehend the structure we are attempting to model our efforts have fallen well short of desired but the logic and information processing and creative functions of the human brain have always been the stated goal.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 127 of 127 (896806)
08-23-2022 3:45 AM
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08-22-2022 2:17 PM


Re: AI in the Mirror
The joke is along the same lines as:
quote:
We shouldn't be looking for signs of intelligent life in space when we cannot even find signs of intelligent life here on earth!
 
Because we do not comprehend the structure we are attempting to model our efforts have fallen well short of desired but the logic and information processing and creative functions of the human brain have always been the stated goal.
Regarding trying to model AI after human brain activity, that would prove rather problematic. Just think of aviation and how all the early attempts to achieve mechanized flight by flapping the wings never succeeded. While birds' wings did provide us a model for the shape of aircraft wings, we use those wings in manners entirely different from those of the birds.
Computer hardware and human neural wetware are structured entirely differently and operate on entirely different principles. My thinking was shaped by The Brains of Men and Machines (by Ernest W. Kent, BYTE Books, 1981) which I recommend (if you can find a copy) even though I last read it in the mid-80's. The human brain is not only massively parallel, but also hierarchical as an intended action keeps getting broken down into sub-actions getting assigned to subnetworks (AKA "muscle memory") all the way down to the muscle-pair with its "hardwired" gating system that disables one muscle of that pair while the other muscle is contracting. Oh, and that "muscle memory" gets "programmed" by the human brain's ability to re-wire itself (ie, forming new connections between neurons, which is how stroke victims can relearn how to use their bodies) -- in The Machine That Changed The World, the analogy to that was described as opening up a mainframe computer cabinet and watching it literally rewiring itself.
And computers function with sequential threads of execution. I was also trained by the US Air Force in electronic computer systems repair. Part of that training involved chasing sparks through the logic diagrams of an actual functioning CPU, the COMTRAN-10 trainer -- I still have my book of the logic diagrams. I have seen up close and personal how computers actually think. It is sequential, not parallel.
There are things that computers can do far better than humans, but there are things that a very young human can do which is beyond what computers can do, like a five-year-old's grasp of human language (in our Spanish/English extended family, the young kids were easily able to keep track of which grandparents used which language).
So then rather than trying to model how the human brain works, the task is to figure out how to get computers to perform the same kinds of tasks.

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