Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,388 Year: 3,645/9,624 Month: 516/974 Week: 129/276 Day: 3/23 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 4409
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 5.8


Message 2986 of 3207 (896553)
08-12-2022 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 2980 by Dredge
08-12-2022 10:11 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Sludge writes:
A higher power did let me know it exists with absolute evidence - I've experienced two miracles.
A yet there is no way for you to prove that is not total bullshit, so I don't believe you.
Sludge writes:
And how would you define "reality"?

Wait, let me guess ... reality is defined by the parameters of science.
Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "the parameters of science." You're not a very good guesser.
I think reality is everything that is not imaginary or supernatural.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2980 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 10:11 PM Dredge has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2987 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 10:50 PM Tanypteryx has replied
 Message 3005 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 2:54 PM Tanypteryx has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 94 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2987 of 3207 (896554)
08-12-2022 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2986 by Tanypteryx
08-12-2022 10:43 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Tanypteryx writes:
I think reality is everything that is not imaginary or supernatural.
And how do you determine what "is not imaginary or supernatural"?
Wait, let me guess ... the parameters of science.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2986 by Tanypteryx, posted 08-12-2022 10:43 PM Tanypteryx has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2988 by Tanypteryx, posted 08-12-2022 10:54 PM Dredge has not replied

  
Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 4409
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 5.8


Message 2988 of 3207 (896555)
08-12-2022 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2987 by Dredge
08-12-2022 10:50 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Pete and repeat.
Sludge writes:
Wait, let me guess ... the parameters of science.
What are "the parameters of science?"

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2987 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 10:50 PM Dredge has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2993 by Phat, posted 08-13-2022 12:46 PM Tanypteryx has replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


(2)
Message 2989 of 3207 (896556)
08-12-2022 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2985 by Dredge
08-12-2022 10:42 PM


Dredge writes:
Which part of "I know that God does not exist" is about science?
The part that's in the Science Forums - i.e. all of it.
Dredge writes:
So science can't prove that Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball further than me?
It doesn't. Unless you can provide citations of scientific papers on that topic.
Dredge writes:
Science can't prove that water boils at about 100^C under standard pressure at sea level?
It's not a proof. It's an accumulation of evidence.
Dredge writes:
Science can't prove that DNA produces mutations?
DNA doesn't produce mutations. DNA is subject to mutations caused by radiation, etc.
Dredge writes:
I think you meant to say, "A scientific theory is never about proof."
I meant to say, "Science doesn't deal in proof," and I did say it.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2985 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 10:42 PM Dredge has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3006 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 3:03 PM ringo has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 94 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 2990 of 3207 (896557)
08-13-2022 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2983 by ringo
08-12-2022 10:19 PM


ringo writes:
Science is never about proof.
So science can't prove that a change in the DNA sequence of an organism results in a mutation?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2983 by ringo, posted 08-12-2022 10:19 PM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2991 by dwise1, posted 08-13-2022 2:33 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 3015 by Percy, posted 08-14-2022 8:54 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 3032 by ringo, posted 08-15-2022 11:55 AM Dredge has replied

  
dwise1
Member
Posts: 5946
Joined: 05-02-2006
Member Rating: 6.0


(1)
Message 2991 of 3207 (896558)
08-13-2022 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 2990 by Dredge
08-13-2022 2:22 AM



This message is a reply to:
 Message 2990 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 2:22 AM Dredge has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2992 by Phat, posted 08-13-2022 12:41 PM dwise1 has replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18298
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 2992 of 3207 (896564)
08-13-2022 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2991 by dwise1
08-13-2022 2:33 AM


Pot Meet Kettle?
I know this was directed at Dredge but im curious what its about.
Add By Edit: Wow! Quite a taunting little video...does even Dredge deserve it? Also, I hope no one also thinks of me in this context.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2991 by dwise1, posted 08-13-2022 2:33 AM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2994 by Theodoric, posted 08-13-2022 12:55 PM Phat has not replied
 Message 2998 by dwise1, posted 08-13-2022 1:37 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied
 Message 3001 by dwise1, posted 08-13-2022 2:05 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied
 Message 3002 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 2:38 PM Phat has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18298
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 2993 of 3207 (896565)
08-13-2022 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2988 by Tanypteryx
08-12-2022 10:54 PM


Parameters By Definition
I had to look that up too. This is what I got:
quote
A parameter, generally, is any characteristic that can help in defining or classifying a particular system. That is, a parameter is an element of a system that is useful, or critical, when identifying the system, or when evaluating its performance, status, condition, etc. Wikipedia

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2988 by Tanypteryx, posted 08-12-2022 10:54 PM Tanypteryx has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 2995 by Tanypteryx, posted 08-13-2022 1:00 PM Phat has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9140
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.6


Message 2994 of 3207 (896566)
08-13-2022 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2992 by Phat
08-13-2022 12:41 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
If the shoe fits.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2992 by Phat, posted 08-13-2022 12:41 PM Phat has not replied

  
Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 4409
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 5.8


Message 2995 of 3207 (896567)
08-13-2022 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2993 by Phat
08-13-2022 12:46 PM


Re: Parameters By Definition
So the parameters of science are everything that has to do with science, for short we can just call it science, parameters is just redundant.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2993 by Phat, posted 08-13-2022 12:46 PM Phat has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22479
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.1


Message 2996 of 3207 (896569)
08-13-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2972 by Dredge
08-12-2022 8:38 PM


Dredge writes:
I have evidence in the form of two miracles that I experienced, not to mention all the other forms of evidence.
Great. Please present the evidence of these miracles, and "all the other forms of evidence" too.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2972 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 8:38 PM Dredge has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22479
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.1


Message 2997 of 3207 (896570)
08-13-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2976 by Dredge
08-12-2022 9:19 PM


Dredge writes:
AZPaul3 writes:
Dredge writes:
No one can possibly prove that God doesn't exist
No one can possibly prove the ToE did not create the fossil record.
So you're claiming that ToE is not falsifiable?
He was using the word "prove" in an ironical sense because your were still in the middle of insisting that science proves things.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2976 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 9:19 PM Dredge has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3003 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 2:41 PM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
dwise1
Member
Posts: 5946
Joined: 05-02-2006
Member Rating: 6.0


Message 2998 of 3207 (896571)
08-13-2022 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2992 by Phat
08-13-2022 12:41 PM


Re: Pot Meet Kettle?
Wow! Quite a taunting little video...does even Dredge deserve it?
Most especially Dredge (AKA Sludge).
These things have been explained to him repeatedly for many months, yet he just keeps on posting the same stupid BS nonsense. He is being most stubbornly willfully stupid about everything, reverting to stupid taunts repeatedly. IOW, he is a typical troll serving his stupid little troll-god (not to be confused with any actual version of the "Christian God" despite Sludge possibly thinking that his god is the same).
That video offers Sludge too much respect, vastly more respect than he deserves.
Also, I hope no one also thinks of me in this context.
At least you will try to engage in actual discussion. Sludge never has and never will. He is far less than a bottom-feeding troll. You are not, regardless of how frustrating you can be at times.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2992 by Phat, posted 08-13-2022 12:41 PM Phat has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3004 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 2:48 PM dwise1 has replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22479
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.1


Message 2999 of 3207 (896572)
08-13-2022 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2977 by Dredge
08-12-2022 9:42 PM


Dredge writes:
I'm afraid it is about proof. The statement, "I know that God does not exist" carries with it the burden of proof.

If I declared, "I know that Santa Claus does not exist", I would then be expected to prove that Santa does not exist ... otherwise I would rightly be viewed as a bs-artist.
There's this thread's title, "I know that God does not exist," and you've added the example, "I know Santa Claus does not exist." Someone might responds, "Oh yeah? Well prove it!"
What happens next is not a proof. Proofs are the realm of the mathematical. Generally when people use words like "know" or "proof" they're not using them in any strict absolutist sense. You hear the word "prove" a lot in casual conversation, and it is very rare that it is used in the sense of establishing truth through evidence or argument. They just mean they've got good reasons or evidence for what they're saying. The word "prove" has no place at all in science. If "truth" is recognized as timeless then science can never prove the truth of anything.
Concerning the word "know", often when people use it they only mean they're cognizant or aware or have information, as in the casual, "I know how to drive." Certainly there are other times when they might use the word in the sense that you're using it, that they have knowledge of a fact or truth, like, "I know Trump won the 2016 election." But you're insisting that every time anyone here uses the word know that they must be using that second definition, and that's simply untrue. And of course there's a spectrum of meaning governed by context.
--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 2977 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 9:42 PM Dredge has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22479
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.1


(3)
Message 3000 of 3207 (896573)
08-13-2022 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2978 by Dredge
08-12-2022 9:53 PM


Re: The Man In The Book
Dredge writes:
I've personally experienced two miracles,...
Prove it.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2978 by Dredge, posted 08-12-2022 9:53 PM Dredge has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 3012 by Dredge, posted 08-14-2022 2:41 AM Percy has replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024