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dwise1
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Message 106 of 264 (896331)
08-06-2022 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Percy
08-06-2022 9:18 AM


GIa writes:
oday, are we not mostly giving our best and brightest the top positions in business, sports, politics, etc.
There's no central authority with the power of "giving our best and brightest the top positions," but you seemed to be advocating for one, hence the eugenics connection.
It is obvious what he is advocating: Fascism. Placing "our best and brightest" into the "top positions in business, sports, politics, etc." to rule over the rest who, by not being the "best and brightest", are clearly inferior.
Eugenics is based on the perversion and misinterpretation of evolutionary ideas such as fitness. That perversion formed the basis of Social Darwinism in which they used (and still do, apparently) their misinterpretations to justify their horrific economic, social, and political practices. Eugenics is just one of those practices which developed in the USA, but it took a Hitler to weaponize it.
That article on Fascism should be required reading, since our collective memories are sorely in need of refreshing. Even just by browsing through that article, what we hear from the GOP every day and what their stated and implied goals are just keep jumping out at us from the monitor screen. As well as GIa's OP (Message 1).
For example, from the section, -- while not trying to copy the article's formatting, I added bolding for emphasis. Pay especial attention to the last paragraph I quote:
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Mussolini perceived women's primary role as primarily child bearers, while that of men as warriors, once saying: "War is to man what maternity is to the woman." In an effort to increase birthrates, the Italian Fascist government gave financial incentives to women who raised large families and initiated policies intended to reduce the number of women employed. Italian Fascism called for women to be honoured as "reproducers of the nation" and the Italian Fascist government held ritual ceremonies to honour women's role within the Italian nation. In 1934, Mussolini declared that employment of women was a "major aspect of the thorny problem of unemployment" and that for women, working was "incompatible with childbearing"; Mussolini went on to say that the solution to unemployment for men was the "exodus of women from the work force."
The German Nazi government strongly encouraged women to stay at home to bear children and keep house. This policy was reinforced by bestowing the Cross of Honor of the German Mother on women bearing four or more children. The unemployment rate was cut substantially, mostly through arms production and sending women home so that men could take their jobs. Nazi propaganda sometimes promoted premarital and extramarital sexual relations, unwed motherhood and divorce, but at other times the Nazis opposed such behaviour.
The Nazis decriminalized abortion in cases where fetuses had hereditary defects or were of a race the government disapproved of, while the abortion of healthy pure German, Aryan fetuses remained strictly forbidden. For non-Aryans, abortion was often compulsory. Their eugenics program also stemmed from the "progressive biomedical model" of Weimar Germany. In 1935, Nazi Germany expanded the legality of abortion by amending its eugenics law, to promote abortion for women with hereditary disorders. The law allowed abortion if a woman gave her permission and the fetus was not yet viable and for purposes of so-called racial hygiene.

There is one particular hospital scene set in Nazi Germany which keeps coming up. It's just part of the normal flow of the scene and hardly noticeable ... until you start to question why it keeps coming up. I first saw it in USA TV movies, but then I've also been seeing it in German productions set in the Hitlerzeit. The maternity nurse presents the newborn for the first time to its mother and the very first thing she does is to show the mother the baby's hands and feet to confirm ten fingers and ten toes. It wouldn't mean anything if it just appeared in one production, but in so many independent productions in different countries? What makes it a Leitmotif, a thematic thread that runs through all these productions? If it's just a custom in German maternity wards, then we could expect it in German productions, but why would it also appear in so many American productions as well?
The reason is the Nazi Eugenics laws. Any sign of a genetic abnormality would require that that baby become a "ward of the state" for "special care and treatment" -- do I need to paint a picture?
Now looking back at the OP (Message 1):
GIa writes:
Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position?

Statistically, more non-whites are aborted than whites.

Reverse this trend and the shrinking white demographic dominance goes into overdrive.

White is demographically shooting itself in the foot.

White power, at this point in time, is being quite generous to non-whites.

One might see it all as a huge white restitution and reparations to all those non-whites we white predators stressed.

Are white Americans who are on the right, aware of what they are giving up, demographically speaking?

Should the non-white Americans be on the right wing side on this, just for the benefits of fast tracking their control?
This is the same reasoning behind Nazi laws and policies regarding abortion: abortion (sometimes even compulsory) for non-Aryans, but forbidden for Aryans. Diminish the size of the non-Aryan population while increasing the size of the Aryan population.
We have found tht US White supremacist domestic terrorists (eg, Timothy McFey) have a Bible: The Turner Diaries:
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The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by William Luther Pierce, published under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. It depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the federal government, a nuclear war, and, ultimately, a race war which leads to the systematic extermination of non-whites. All groups opposed by the novel's protagonist, Earl Turner—including Jews, non-whites, "liberal actors", and politicians—are exterminated.
The Turner Diaries was described as being "explicitly racist and anti-Semitic" by The New York Times and has been labeled the "bible of the racist right" by the FBI. The book was greatly influential in shaping white nationalism and the later development of the white genocide conspiracy theory. It has also inspired numerous hate crimes and acts of terrorism, including the 1984 assassination of Alan Berg, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and the 1999 London nail bombings and Columbine High School massacre.
Malcolm Nance, retired intelligence professional who has spent a lot of time monitoring those extremicists' social media channels, discussed their plan as inspired by that book.
This is the video of part of an interview where he discusses it (it refuses to be imbedded here): Malcolm Nance is Back Stateside!!
That video does not show the entire interview, but I had listened to it on the radio. In addition to the plan to kill all non-whites (and Democrats) they can find, they also have a plan to organize ethnically pure white men into rape gangs to find and rape ethnically-pure white women in order to produce more ethnically-pure white babies.
I ain't shittin' you!
Is that supposed to be part of GIa's ideas for rule by the "strongest and the best"? Fascism?
Well fuck that shit!
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The Magic Christian, Peter Sellers' and Ringo's characters are in the theater for a performance of Hamlet:
Hamlet: To be or not to be ...
Ringo: (getting up to leave) I've seen it.

We've also all seen Fascism already. It's an oldie but a baddie.
We do not need to see it again!

Edited by dwise1, : corrected small typo


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Message 107 of 264 (896343)
08-06-2022 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by AZPaul3
08-06-2022 10:40 AM


"Doing so in a deliberate structured way throughout society IS eugenics. "
In a really narrow view.
I think you mean where there is intent.
As to my views, how is finding and rewarding the best basketball player, for instance, contributing to eugenics.
We do such all the time with no qualms about the least fit as nature has condemned them.
That is the inadvertent evil in our evolution, but if we did not take that bit of harm for the greater good, we would go extinct.
Nice that man has bested nature and set up social safety nets.
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DL

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Message 108 of 264 (896344)
08-06-2022 7:00 PM
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08-06-2022 10:40 AM


"So how do you change this?"
I think you are seeing something that needs changing, when only understanding should be the initial goal. After that, you will see why I embrace some strange notions, but not as strange as you make them out to be.
I am all for finding out fittest and following their best advice.
I, in this instance, do not care about the less fit.
How do I change the moral I.Q. of enough to make a difference?
IDK.
Look at how the personalities here and globally react to change. Yuk.
Regards
DL

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Message 109 of 264 (896345)
08-06-2022 7:08 PM
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08-06-2022 10:40 AM


"But what of the rest of us? How do we unfit fit in your schemes?"
Seek and follow worthy thinking perpetually so as not to idol worship.
Eventually your single eye will let you know when you have reached your best possible end.
Most do not meditate or seek and thus do not find the only God they should trust.
Themselves.
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DL

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Message 110 of 264 (896347)
08-06-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by dwise1
08-06-2022 2:39 PM


"It is obvious what he is advocating: Fascism. Placing "our best and brightest" into the "top positions in business, sports, politics, etc." to rule over the rest who, by not being the "best and brightest", are clearly inferior."
Your low I.Q. is what is obvious.
First,
All Christian and myriad of Abrahamic based cults and religions, including Islam, are slave holding ideologies, and have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions.
Both of our mainstream religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
The Theft of Our Values
Is religion an ideal barometer of Western values or merely an oppressor of them? The conclusions set forth in the documentary The Theft of Our Values...
topdocumentaryfilms.com
Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.
Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.
Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.
Moral people will agree.
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As to your blind to reality view, do you see competing companies not choosing the best and brightest to man their companies?
If not, how far down the failure list do they go to get the ones that are less fit to run their companies into the ground?
How about sports teams?
How about farming with the weakest seeds available.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL

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Message 111 of 264 (896348)
08-06-2022 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Greatest I am
08-06-2022 7:17 PM


Yep, no doubt about it.
A fucking fascist!

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Message 112 of 264 (896360)
08-07-2022 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Greatest I am
08-05-2022 2:36 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Just showing how it means nothing to many.
You didn't "show" anything. You had claimed that Canada didn't have slavery andI pointed out that you were dead wrong.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 113 of 264 (896361)
08-07-2022 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Greatest I am
08-06-2022 7:00 PM


Greatest I am writes:
I am all for finding out fittest and following their best advice.
As I have pointed out before, you misunderstand what "fittest" means.
How are those of us who are NOT the "fittest" capable of deciding who the "fittest" are? Historically, the Hitlers, etc. choose THEMSELVES as the "fittest".

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 114 of 264 (896372)
08-07-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by ringo
08-07-2022 10:31 AM


How to test. A hard task.
In running, for instance, you use a measuring tape and stop watch.
It is called a race.
It is like I am trying to talk to a retarded child.
Regards
DL

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Message 115 of 264 (896373)
08-07-2022 12:41 PM
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08-07-2022 12:24 PM


Ego I AM
GIA writes:
It is like I am trying to talk to a retarded child.
Well golly gee, I guess that makes you feel smarter and better....Greatest. Not that I have been innocent of such ego stroking. A healthy Ego realizes that WE are Greater than I. Otherwise, why bother to start topics if you want to direct them rather than learn anything?
Greatest Ego writes:
Humanity-centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity is the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.
No. There is a basic spiritual struggle between good and evil. Human-Centered will ultimately fail. Many religious people know about God, and all of us have moments where we think we ourselves are right and the religious system is wrong. This brings light to Romans 3:4.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 116 of 264 (896374)
08-07-2022 12:53 PM
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08-06-2022 7:08 PM


GIA writes:
Most do not meditate or seek and thus do not find the only God they should trust.

Themselves.
Spiritually this is Pantheism. God is wholly Other. Not me, myself, nor I.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 117 of 264 (896410)
08-08-2022 10:16 AM
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08-07-2022 12:53 PM


So your God is not in your image.
You have given up your heritage.
What color is your God if not yours?
Student Asks Sadhguru What Is God?
Regards
DL

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Message 118 of 264 (896411)
08-08-2022 10:21 AM
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Re: Ego I AM
Yin compliments Yang.
They are not in conflict.
You might see them that way but look closer.
Regards
DL

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Message 119 of 264 (896415)
08-08-2022 12:11 PM
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08-07-2022 12:24 PM


Greatest I am writes:
It is like I am trying to talk to a retarded child.
It's a poor teacher who blames the student.
quote
"If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself."
-- attributed to Albert Einstein
So try again. In Message 113 I said, "How are those of us who are NOT the "fittest" capable of deciding who the "fittest" are?"
Answer the question as if you were an intelligent human being.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 120 of 264 (896423)
08-08-2022 2:39 PM
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08-08-2022 12:11 PM


ringo writes:
quote
"If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself."
-- attributed to Albert Einstein
I couldn't find it in The Expanded Quotable Einstein or in Barlett's Familiar Quotations. The closest I could find was from the 1938 book The Evolution of Physics by Leopold Infeld which included this:
quote
Most of the fundamental ideas of science are essentially simple, and may, as a rule, be expressed in a language comprehensible to everyone.
  —Albert Einstein
Einstein may also have said this, though no one can find an original source, which is a restatement of Ockham's Razor:
quote
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler
  —Albert Einstein
He also has several quotes about how complicated people sometimes make things, so whether or not Einstein actually said that about explaining to a six year old, it seems a sentiment he would agree with.
--Percy

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