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Dredge
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Message 581 of 1429 (896335)
08-06-2022 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by dwise1
08-05-2022 8:47 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
The big difference is that the Theory of Evolution does indeed help us in furthering medical knowledge,
Please provide one example of how ToE (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations) has proven useful in treating disease.

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Dredge
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Message 582 of 1429 (896336)
08-06-2022 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 577 by Tanypteryx
08-05-2022 9:32 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
This is all just pete and repeat from Sludge Boy. We all refuted this pathetic argument more than a year ago.
That's bullshit - none of the posters here refuted my argument back then. All those snakes did was ignore that I was arguing that ToE was useless and instead pretended that I was arguing that "principles of evolution" (such as selection acting on beneficial mutations) were useless. I never argued that "principles of evolution" were useless, because they're not.
Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position - in other words, that bowl of spiders were liars. You were probably one of them.

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Dredge
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Message 583 of 1429 (896337)
08-06-2022 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 580 by dwise1
08-06-2022 4:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
Evolution does happen. That is a solid undeniable fact!
I agree.
Do you know the difference between "evolution" and ToE?

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Dredge
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Message 589 of 1429 (896346)
08-06-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by dwise1
08-06-2022 4:57 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Evolution is a change in allele frequency within a population.
As for the theory of evolution, there are different versions. I will use the version I've been using for the last two months or so - the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations.

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Dredge
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Message 590 of 1429 (896349)
08-06-2022 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by AZPaul3
08-06-2022 5:10 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please explain how ToE (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations)⁶ has contributed to the development of flu vaccines.

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Dredge
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Message 594 of 1429 (896354)
08-07-2022 8:29 AM
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08-06-2022 7:57 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
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Dredge
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Message 595 of 1429 (896355)
08-07-2022 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 593 by AZPaul3
08-06-2022 9:19 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
The point is, no one needs Darwinist folklore to develop vaccines or treat disease ... the part that says all life on earth shares a common ancestor.

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 596 of 1429 (896356)
08-07-2022 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 591 by dwise1
08-06-2022 7:53 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
there's a helluva lot more going on in evolution that you're leaving out.
No kidding.
it's no wonder you have no clue what you are talking about.
The fact remains that no one can prove that they know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record, and therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 604 of 1429 (896367)
08-07-2022 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 598 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 10:12 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
Point is, only in understanding the ToE do we have understanding of the vectors of disease and how to formulate vaccines to more effective use.
Point is, no one needs to accept the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor to develop vaccines.
Hypothetically, a YEC scientist could develop vaccines just as competently as a Darwinist scientist. A medical scientist doesn't need to accept Darwinist folklore (universal common ancestry) to understand and utilize the principles and mechanisms of evolution .
We know exceptionally well the forces and mechanisms that created ... the fossil record.
You can't prove it, so please stop talking delusional crap. Your discombobulation is embarrassing.
I'm finding it increasing difficult to believe your claim that you're a fair-dinkum scientist. What sort of scientist claims to "know" something that he can't prove that he knows?

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Dredge
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Message 605 of 1429 (896368)
08-07-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 603 by ringo
08-07-2022 11:04 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
It's not a footnote reference. I don't how it got there. I used my own words.
Maybe there's a glitch in the system.

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Dredge
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Message 606 of 1429 (896369)
08-07-2022 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 597 by Percy
08-07-2022 9:07 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sorry, I don't understand any of that.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 607 of 1429 (896370)
08-07-2022 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 10:42 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
Yes, we know. Can't even respond to the right poster.
I choose to blame you for that mistake.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 608 of 1429 (896371)
08-07-2022 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 592 by dwise1
08-06-2022 7:57 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
A footnote reference! Where did that come from?
Good question. I have no idea how that little number got there ... it wasn't a quote ... not that it matters.
What source did you steal that from?
My fragile, eggshell mind.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
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Message 610 of 1429 (896376)
08-07-2022 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by dwise1
08-07-2022 12:56 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
The fact remains that no one can prove that they know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record, and therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works.
dwise1 writes:
Stop repeating your stupid lies
It's not a lie ... it's an inescapable fact you can't prove that know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
You know what you need to do, SO DO IT! If you truly know what you are talking about, as you keep falsely claiming you do (LIAR!), then PROVE IT!
Stop being a stupid troll who witnesses of his stupid troll god (who is not to be confused with any actual Christian version of "God").
Sorry, but I'm not interested in playing your diversionary games. It seems clear to me that you refuse to face up to the truth of my argument, which is this: You can't prove that you know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
Is there a weakness in your character that is preventing you from accepting this obvious fact?
Perhaps you are too proud to be corrected and humbled by the simple logic of the village idiot.
Or perhaps your atheist faith cannot tolerate the fact that - contrary to the delusion you've been living under for so long - your Darwinist doctrine cannot be proven to be factual.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 612 of 1429 (896389)
08-07-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 611 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 3:52 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
ToE. It ... explains life and destroys diseases
Knowledge of the mechanisms of evolution has certainly contributed to the treatment of disease, but the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has contributed nothing at all to the treatment of disease. It's a useless theory.
I invite you to prove me wrong by providing an example of how the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has contribted to the treatment of disease.

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