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Theodoric
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Message 571 of 646 (896315)
08-05-2022 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Dredge
08-05-2022 11:18 AM


Re: Troll
Misogynist too.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 572 of 646 (896316)
08-05-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 570 by ringo
08-05-2022 12:30 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
How DO whales give birth, if not through the pelvis? And what about other animals?
Well, we humans (the distaff side, of course) have to do it through the pelvis because of the necessities of our skeletal structure due to our terrestrial locomotion. IOW, because we need a full pelvic girdle to be able to stand and walk, the birth canal must be routed through the pelvis. I'm sure that the same holds for other viviparous terrestrial tetrapods -- it's not a concern for oviparous terrestrial tetrapods since they are just laying eggs though the egg chute would still be going through the pelvis.
Whales no longer need the full pelvic girdle, which is why the ilia are vestigial. While the birth canal no longer needs to go through the pelvis (which basically is no longer there), I so no reason to assume that it would not still be located in roughly the same relationship with the vestigial pelvic bones as our women's are with their pelvises.
The world is so much more interesting when you're not Dredge.
I fully agree. One of my arguments against the Pascal's Wager claim that believing doesn't cost you anything was (from my page, After-Life Insurance):
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Pascal maintained that believing in his god and theology costs you nothing, but that is not true of his own theology, nor of most of the theologies that exist. What if you could not pursue your dream career because your chosen god forbade it? Or marry your one true love (your "media naranja", or "half orange", as my wife's grandmother had put it) because your god forbade you to marry that kind of person? Or learn the sciences because your god forbade you to study the truth? Or to think for yourself because your god forbade it? Or had to suffered from a horrible disease or injury or had to watch your child die horribly of a treatable disease because your god forbade the medical treatment for it? For many of us, that would be too great a cost to bear.
To be forced by a religion to turn my brain off and refuse to learn anything would be ... a living death.
From the Pirkei Avot:
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The more learning, the more life.
So then Dredge is truly one of the Walking Dead.

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Dredge
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Message 573 of 646 (896319)
08-05-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by ringo
08-05-2022 11:55 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
A description or explanation isn't knowledge until it's been proven to be correct.
ringo writes:
Nonsense. Learn something.
I hope you're not thinking of giving up your day-job to become a rational thinker.

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Dredge
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Message 574 of 646 (896320)
08-05-2022 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by ringo
08-05-2022 11:48 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
No one ever cured or treated disease with the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Yet more bullshit. None of the useful "evolutionary principles" described in that paper include the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Useful biology and medicine depends on facts (eg, "evolutionary principles"), not useless and irrelevant atheist-bedtime-stories like humans evolving from fish.

Edited by Dredge, .


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Message 575 of 646 (896321)
08-05-2022 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 574 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
None of the useful "evolutionary principles" described in that paper include the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Would you like to know where your gills went? I can explain it to you. I can even show you fossils. Just a hint: can you spell tiktaalik?
It's Ok if you don't know. It wouldn't help prove your god anyway. Quite the opposite.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 576 of 646 (896322)
08-05-2022 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by AZPaul3
08-05-2022 8:32 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Well, for that matter: No one ever cured or treated disease with Dredge's god.
The big difference is that the Theory of Evolution does indeed help us in furthering medical knowledge, while no god ever has. Instead, gods have proven to be a great hinderance in the advancement of medicine.
 
Of course, that begs the question of which god it is that Dredge thinks he serves. And whether that is the same god as his actions would actually serve. HINT: no, it is not, obviously.

Edited by dwise1, : added "in the advancement of "


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Tanypteryx
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Message 577 of 646 (896323)
08-05-2022 9:32 PM
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08-05-2022 8:47 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
The big difference is that the Theory of Evolution does indeed help us in furthering medical knowledge, while no god ever has. Instead, gods have proven to be a great hinderance in the advancement of medicine.
This is all just pete and repeat from Sludge Boy. We all refuted this pathetic argument more than a year ago.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 578 of 646 (896332)
08-06-2022 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by dwise1
07-22-2022 3:05 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
The Theory of Evolution is the set of explanations for how evolution works.
No it isn't. ToE is a set of explanations for how evolution MIGHT work. No one knows - or will ever know - if ToE explains how life of earth evolved. That makes ToE a pointless, irrelevant, over-inflated bag of hot air.
Unsurprisingly, ToE is scientifically useless. The only reason ToE was dreamed up, and it's only "use", is to provide atheists with a comforting bed-time creation story.
Atheists delude themselves that ToE is "knowledge". What a joke - only an irrational dreamer would claim that an unprovable theory is "knowledge".

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dwise1
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Message 579 of 646 (896333)
08-06-2022 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 578 by Dredge
08-06-2022 3:31 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
They're singing your song yet again:
Pull your head out of your ass. You will be amazed how much that will change your perspective.
 
Oh and yet again, DO PLEASE TELL US WHICH GOD YOU THINK YOU ARE SERVING with your lies, willful stupidity, and trolling?

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Message 580 of 646 (896334)
08-06-2022 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 578 by Dredge
08-06-2022 3:31 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
No it isn't. ToE is a set of explanations for how evolution MIGHT work.
OBTW, Evolution does happen. That is a solid undeniable fact! (undeniable to those who deal in reality, not delusional willfully stupid idiot trolls living in a dystopian fantasy spun out of their own derangement)
The following is for the edification of those who do not share your decrepit delusion, since you are far too mentally incompetent to understand anything.
NOTE TO VISITORS and other lurkers
  • Dredge freely admits to having an IQ of 9.
  • By definition, someone having an IO of 9 would place him low within the range of idiocy, which is defined by an IQ that ranges from zero to either 20 or 30, depending on your source.
  • Also by definition, an idiot has the mental capacity of one younger than three years old. Being a self-admittedly low grade of idiot, Dredge's mental capacity would be far below that of a three-year-old.
  • Hence, Dredge freely admits to being dumber than a three-year-old. Try explaining something like how science works to someone three years old and you also will experience what has been happening here.
  • In addition, Dredge is willfully stupid, which means that he makes deliberate and willful efforts to avoid learning anything.
  • Also, Dredge admits that he is evil. He declares himself to be a creationist (more of an OEC than a YEC, but he also lies a lot so we don't know if that detail is true), and he freely admits that creationists are evil. Therefore, he admits that he is evil.
  • And, of course, he is also a troll as is abundantly demonstrated by his persistent typically troll-like behavior.
The Theory of Evolution (ToE) offers explanations of how evolution works. Evolution is a fact, so it must work in some manner. The ToE tries to explain the manner in which evolution works.
If the current theories of evolution (the ToE is more of a bundle of explanations for the various parts of the fact of evolution) fail to explain evolution, then we must develop a theory which does explain evolution.
Therefore, one must be able to offer, or at the very least suggest, an alternative explanation for the fact of evolution. One might not like the theory of evolution, but the fact that evolution does still happen nonetheless means that it still must be explained.
So what scientific alternative do you have to offer? Absolutely none whatsoever, obviously.

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Message 581 of 646 (896335)
08-06-2022 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by dwise1
08-05-2022 8:47 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
The big difference is that the Theory of Evolution does indeed help us in furthering medical knowledge,
Please provide one example of how ToE (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations) has proven useful in treating disease.

Edited by Dredge, .

Edited by Dredge, .


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Message 582 of 646 (896336)
08-06-2022 4:42 PM
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08-05-2022 9:32 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
This is all just pete and repeat from Sludge Boy. We all refuted this pathetic argument more than a year ago.
That's bullshit - none of the posters here refuted my argument back then. All those snakes did was ignore that I was arguing that ToE was useless and instead pretended that I was arguing that "principles of evolution" (such as selection acting on beneficial mutations) were useless. I never argued that "principles of evolution" were useless, because they're not.
Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position - in other words, that bowl of spiders were liars. You were probably one of them.

Edited by Dredge, .


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Dredge
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Message 583 of 646 (896337)
08-06-2022 4:45 PM
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08-06-2022 4:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
Evolution does happen. That is a solid undeniable fact!
I agree.
Do you know the difference between "evolution" and ToE?

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dwise1
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Message 584 of 646 (896338)
08-06-2022 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by Dredge
08-06-2022 4:42 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Now they're playing your other song:
BTW, this message is the very first time that you have ever used the term "principles of evolution" -- this forum does have a search function or haven't you noticed?
If you have an actual cogent case to make, then make it. In as much detail as possible and with as many well reasoned arguments that you can make for your case.
But you have not only failed to do so, you refuse to do so.
The choice is yours.
And don't start whining that that is too hard because your mental capacity is less than that of a three-year-old. Turn the computer off and go tell your mommy that you had made a big mess. Then she can give you a bottle and lay you down for a nap.

Edited by dwise1, : slight typo correction: "go tell" instead of "to tell"


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Message 585 of 646 (896339)
08-06-2022 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by Dredge
08-06-2022 4:45 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Do you know the difference between "evolution" and ToE?
Yes, I do know that difference. So do all the rest of us.
Rather, you keep showing us that you do not know.
So then, do you know the difference between "evolution" and ToE?
Do you even know what evolution is and what the Theory of Evolution is?
We certainly have been trying to explain it to you so many times, but to no effect.
So why don't you explain to us what evolution is, what the Theory of Evolution is, and what the difference between them is? What's holding you back?
And if by "ToE" you mean something completely different from the Theory of Evolution, then you must explain that to us too.
Nothing's holding you back. What are you waiting for?

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