Anti-theist

I asked you to look up "liberal" in the BIBLE.I didn't expect you to do it, so I did it for you. Here is every reference (in the KJV) to the word "liberal":

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Proverbs 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

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Isaiah 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

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Isaiah 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

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2Corinthians 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

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And here are references to variations - e.g. "liberality", "liberally":

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Deuteronomy 15:14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.

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1Corinthians 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

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2Corinthinans 8:2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

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James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

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It looks to me like the Bible has a pretty positive attitudes toward liberals. Well, the Bible is against your personal beliefs. I keep asking you, why wouldn't you do what Jesus told you to do? Not very ironic. Unbelievers tend to be more honest than believers.

Tangle, I know that you often chide me for preaching Doom. I dont mean to be negative---only realistic. I peruse hundreds of You Tube videos...most of which I dont agree with. Some of the ones that I think are quite plausible are shared with you here. None of them are religious. And I think that all of them are backed by science. If anyone either watches some of the content or the transcripts, feel free to comment. I doubt you will be able to prove that these videos are not plausible. Who Controls All Our Money?Devastating Solar Storm Hits Earth The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to Strike]The San Andreas Fault: Disaster About to StrikeYellowstone: Big Volcano Ready to Erupt
Volcanic Hyper EruptionIn my opinion, humans are likely to exasperate their own demise with or without scientific evidence of upcoming disasters, which could well be ten thousand years in the future.Two things irritate me for better or worse. One, which the facts show as likely, a financial collapse will occur within our lifetimes. And this alone could trigger further global wars.
And even with no God, no apocalypse and no religious judgment, there are many events which could challenge humanity.So here we all are. ringo claims that I, as the "Christian" am commanded by Jesus to give everything up. No one else here is so commanded.And yet I fear that you dont understand reality vs gambling. (im slowly learning!) My question to all of you is this: Is humanity ready to cooperate should chaos erupt?

Just to be clear, I am not against you or against your personal beliefs. You are entitled to those.Nobody is telling you what you should do. They are just reminding you of what Jesus taught.

The liberals are ready to cooperate. I very much doubt that the conservatives are ready.

why would those of us who aren't christians give a single solitary fuck for what jesus commands? you claim to be a follower of his, it's your job to, y'know, follow.

Do you think it's healthy to spend so much time searching out disaster movies? You're just sinking into self-focused madness.Nothing's changed Phat. The chance of an asteroid wiping out civilisation is the same as it has been for millions of years. There's nothing you can do about it except follow the teachings of the guy you profess to believe in or, like all the rest of us, just make the best of the life you have now.

Who has disputed any of those things here?But you're being dishonest. You've been talikng about Who Controls All Our Money? here and there is no easy answer to that question.Will solar storms cause devastation? Yes.Will earthquakes devastate California? Yes.Will the Yellowstone volcano erupt? Yes.Who controls our money? Well, I have pretty good control over my wallet. You'd have to point a gun at me to get control of it. But I don't have control over what a dollar is worth. And I don't have control over how many dollars the government takes from me. Those things are effected by floods, fires and famine. Wars and rumours of war.But you're trying to make connections between all of those complications and your God, who does not exist. Those imaginary connections are what people are arguing with you. Ten thousand years in the future doesn't concern me much. I'm more concerned about ten years in the future. I've been trying to tell you, financial collapses happen all the time. I keep hearing about a "crash" that happened in 2008 - but I never even noticed it at the time. (It may have been when I didn't have a TV.) How do you fight a war after a financial collapse? And if you can still fight wars, why can't you still do all of the other things that humans do? And humanity has never had challenges before? It's not a "claim". It's what the Bible says. If there is such a things as a theme that permeates the entire Bible, it's trust in God, not yourself. Dredge is so commanded. Faith is so commanded, even though she might dispute that Dredge is so commanded, since he's a satan-worshipping Catholic.I'll say this again, on the off-chance that it might get through your thick skull: Why is that so hard to understand? You should stop fearing what we don't understand and make more of an attempt to understand yourself. My answer is the same as it has always been: We have to be. Nobody's going to do it for us.I don't know why you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Do you expect to get different answers?

[tongue-in-cheek] Phat's is the correct view of reality, which is contained in Youtube videos - we all know that! We all know that financial collapses send everyone back to living in caves. But these are different. Images of Don Quixote tilting with windmills come to mind. It *is* a puzzlement.[/tongue-in-cheek]Waxing serious for a moment, there was a huge financial collapse that began in 2007 brought on by the subprime mortgage scandal. Here in the States there was a recession that lasted from the end of 2007 through the middle of 2009. Like you our family was largely unaffected because my wife and I both kept our jobs, though both our companies had layoffs and froze wages. Lehman Brothers failed. Merrill-Lynch was forced to find a buyer, which turned out to be Bank of America. General Motors required a federal bailout. 25 banks failed, nearly overstressing the FDIC. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were taken over by the federal government. The Fed had to print a lot of money. Morgan Stanley was restructured. Bear Stearns had to be acquired by JPMorgan Chase. There was a federal rescue of Citigroup. (All these failures are still familiar to me, but I couldn't recall all of them at once and had to refresh my memory by looking them up.)But it was a pretty difficult time for a lot of people, and many lost their homes (some at the same time they lost their jobs) because they'd been granted mortgages beyond their ability to pay. The triggering factor for the financial crisis was when it was realized, rather suddenly, that most of the bundles of subprime mortgages called mortgage-backed securities deserved junk status.--Percy