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Message 2857 of 3207 (894931)
06-03-2022 3:35 AM

Reply to: Message 2855 by Theodoric
06-02-2022 7:29 PM

Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod

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I don't think so. Abortion has beeen around since.the first person figured how to do it. For millenia.
—Theodoric

I'm just hoping for continued improvements in technical solutions. The condom was one, the contraceptive pill another, the 'morning after' pill yet another. (Though that last is also technically an abortion, most would accept that a few undifferentiated cells are not the same as a 12 week foetus.)

There needs to be changes in society too - equal access to early medical help, better education etc etc.

A boy can hope.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 2872 of 3207 (895573)
07-06-2022 3:56 AM

Reply to: Message 2863 by Theodoric
07-05-2022 9:18 AM

Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod

Theodoric writes:

All those options are not 100%. Rapists and abusers rarely use birth control. Shame and fear will keep many girls and women from addressing it in a timely manner. Ectopic pregnancies will always exist. Complications and diseases will always exist that make abortion the safest and most effective manner of saving or preserving the life of the mother.

I'm not against abortion, especially in hard cases, like those.

Oh yeah, none of your damn business what a woman chooses to do with her own body.

That's far too binary a statement, it IS our business what people do with their own bodies, that's why we try to intervene with suicides and have health and safety regulations. We also try to prevent people harming other people (and animals). And in abortion regulations we have laws for the stages that foetuses can be aborted. We recognise not just the rights of the women but also those of the unborn child.

We SHOULD be uncomfortable with the decisions we make about abortion. It's not black and white at all.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 2926 of 3207 (896456)
08-10-2022 3:05 AM

Reply to: Message 2916 by Phat
08-09-2022 6:32 PM

Re: The Man In The Book

Phat writes:

Yes, we see how well grown-ups run the world!

We run it the best we can given that we're competitive evolved apes. It's the way your god made us according to you. If He's still involved he's either playing an elaborate and nasty joke on us or he's crap at the job.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 2928 of 3207 (896459)
08-10-2022 3:25 AM

Reply to: Message 2927 by Phat
08-10-2022 3:20 AM

Re: The Man In The Book

Phat writes:

Perhaps He knew that we (some of us) would honestly criticize and even despise Him for it.

Perhaps he is waiting for us to get over it and keep evolving.

And perhaps the moon is made of cheese.

Surely you can see the problem here?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 2930 of 3207 (896462)
08-10-2022 4:23 AM

Reply to: Message 2929 by Phat
08-10-2022 3:34 AM

Re: The Man In The Book

Phat writes:

And yet He has given you the ability to deny Him, cheesy though that may sound.

Stupid is a better adjective. "He gave me the ability to deny him" - what a pile of self-referencing nonsense.

Stile likely gets a pass due to his honesty within this thread. What's your excuse? The Son is a lot more than bells and smells and Priests playing dress-up. You missed out on a lot being raised Catholic.

I was raised a Christian, just like you - same book of fairytales. Same utter nonsense but with the added twist of kiddy fiddling.

Not that kiddy-fiddling is reserved only for Catholic priests, they just seem to be market leaders. (No, I was not abused by a priest or anyone. But I saw it.)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 3151 of 3207 (896943)
08-27-2022 2:53 AM

Reply to: Message 3149 by Phat
08-27-2022 2:09 AM

Re: Monsters Under The Bed

Phat writes:

Because you cant have it both ways. You cant claim that GOD and Jesus were limited to characters in a book and then also claim that GOD was a Monster. The Big Bad Wolf was a monster. Yet we all know that its just a story.

Of course we can have it both ways. Just like the big bad wolf, your God is portrayed in the book as an evil bastard and we can point that out to you.

We can show you that the character in the book says and does evil things or that the Jesus in the book wants you to do things that you'd rather not do, without believing for a second that it's anything but fiction.

And you can do it for the big, bad wolf stories. So how do you maintain this little facade of yours that pretends that because we don't believe the stories we can't simply point out to you what the stories say?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 3163 of 3207 (896980)
08-27-2022 3:54 PM

Reply to: Message 3162 by GDR
08-27-2022 2:26 PM

Re: Monsters Under The Bed

Yikes, GDR, wtf have you been?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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