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Author Topic:   Did Justice Elena Kagan lie to Congress?
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Message 7 of 66 (895507)
07-04-2022 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Sarah Bellum
07-04-2022 9:33 AM


It's Politics
First, at the time the question was asked Kagan was well within bounds and propriety. There was no such right.
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"Constitutional rights are a product of constitutional text as interpreted by courts and understood by the nation's citizenry and its elected representatives," Kagan wrote. "By this measure, which is the best measure I know for determining whether a constitutional right exists, there is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage."
  —kagan
Remember this was prior to her nomination to SCOTUS. This was her hearing for solicitor general which enforces law but not interpret the law. Once on SCOTUS the emphasis changes.
There was no lie like when Kavanaugh and Gorsuch actually lied to congress during their confirmation hearings discussing Roe. Those were actual lies, now known to be purposefully told to cover their actual intent once on the court. This whole Kagan thing is a right-wing attack on those in congress that want to impeach Kavanaugh and Gorsuch for deliberate lying in sworn testimony in contempt of congress.
Can she be impeached for lying to Congress?
Since you asked:
Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. That is why the framers placed the power to try and convict on impeachment in the hands of the congress and not the courts. The courts require specific language and standards that congress is not required to keep. The definition of “high crimes and misdemeanors” is left legally and politically vague for a reason. The definition is left for the political process to define at the time of offense. Anything the congress so pleases can be an impeachable offense while the politics of the process keeps impeachment from major abuse.
In the present case the impeachment of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, or even Kagan, while legally doable in the congress, I doubt the politics of such a move makes consideration even viable let alone achievable. Not going to happen.

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Message 32 of 66 (895557)
07-05-2022 5:39 PM
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07-05-2022 2:44 PM


Re: It's Politics
So it was like the legend of Galileo muttering "eppur si muove" . . . and Elena Kagan was quietly adding " . . . there is no federal constitutional right not right now, but there will be if I ever get on the Supreme Court"
Why do you try to force a lie into her mouth? There is no controversy here with Kagan. Why try to manufacture one?
Kavanaugh and Gorsuch actually lied under oath during their confirmation. There is no comparison with Kagan's statements except in the twisted mind of the right-wing trolls.
Stop lying about this crap. There will be no impeachment of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch so quit trying to lie some kind of stupid defense for them.

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Message 53 of 66 (895606)
07-07-2022 8:35 PM


Resource Relativity

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Message 58 of 66 (895618)
07-08-2022 4:22 PM
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07-08-2022 3:38 PM


Re: Resource Relativity
Content-free?
Then you missed a nice take down.

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