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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Theodoric
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Message 1220 of 3207 (857455)
07-08-2019 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by dwise1
07-08-2019 4:34 AM


Re: chances
When I was in college in the early '80's I met a guy who was a submariner. He taught all of us BOHICA. It has been a regular saying for that group of friends ever since.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1221 of 3207 (857456)
07-08-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1211 by Phat
07-08-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
No, I see God changing His Mind.
So your god admits to making a faulty decision? Why would an all knowing, all powerful entity need to change it's mind? It would have known what was happening so changing it's mind was preordained. Your argument is fallacious on its face if you believe in an all powerful, all knowing god.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1224 of 3207 (857476)
07-08-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1223 by Phat
07-08-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
You are the one that claimed this god guy changed his mind. So are you backtracking now?
more word salad.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1239 of 3207 (857669)
07-10-2019 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1237 by Dredge
07-10-2019 1:43 AM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
I thought the god of the christians was omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1267 of 3207 (858034)
07-15-2019 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1263 by Dredge
07-15-2019 2:40 AM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
What would your definition be?
The dictionary definition is some version of "all knowing". Pretty straight forward. Little or no room for ambiguity. So how would you define the word?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1307 of 3207 (858195)
07-18-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1301 by Phat
07-18-2019 8:15 AM


Re: Hubris At Refusing To Consider God
Dont you see it? The human hubris at asserting a low probability of God? Based on our microcosmic position?
You dare accuse others of hubris? You are the one with the hubris thinking your personal religious belief is correct in the face of all the evidence counter to it. You are the one that asserts some sort of secret knowledge based on anonymous bronze age and classical age writings. Writings that you manipulate to mean things that the plain reading does not make any mention of.
You have the audacity to accuse those that do not claim any secret knowledge of hubris? Maybe you do not know what hubris means. Us nontheists do not claim to have the answers. We claim there is not enough data to understand how things began and there is no data to show there is a god like character. You call that hubris? Self-awareness is another word you should learn.
as there are also many arguments supporting the Bible
And all this evidence has been shown to not be evidence at all.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 1321 of 3207 (858274)
07-19-2019 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1320 by Dredge
07-19-2019 4:42 AM


Re: Theology, Philosophy, and Facts vs Fiction
So you believe in a god that is not all knowing? Aren't you catholic?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1650 of 3207 (859487)
07-31-2019 10:01 PM


I really think this poor dead horse has been beaten enough.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 2328 of 3207 (869446)
12-30-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2325 by Faith
12-30-2019 11:14 AM


Re: The peril of proof texts.
There is no historical framework for the parting of the Red Sea. If it had happened, don't you think there would be some record in Egypt. Instead of just the wild ravings of goat herders?
There is also absolutely no historical framework for Jesus or anything to do with his life. There is no contemporary, historical evidence for the Jesus character.
There is no historical framework or evidence of any kind for the supernatural.
If there was it would have been presented and people would be acknowledging it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 2335 of 3207 (869457)
12-30-2019 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2333 by PaulK
12-30-2019 2:00 PM


Re: The peril of proof texts.
The Gospels do place Jesus in an identifiable time and place. Pontius Pilate, Herod and his sons, even John the Baptist are known to history.
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone puts Harry Potter into an identifiable time and place. If you are not happy with Harry Potter, I can find thousands of examples from the writings of Homer to the present day.
Jesus himself is obscure enough to suggest that his faddish popularity was exaggerated by the Gospels but that obscurity is not sufficient to prove that he didn’t exist at all.
That would be a strawman. I did not say anything about proving he could not exist. There is no contemporary, historical evidence for the existence of the Jesus character. Do you claim there is? Please present it. If you have it you need to write paper to present it. I am still waiting.
That is not to say that the Gospel depiction of Jesus is accurate - it is likely extremely inaccurate in many ways.
How do we determine the accuracy or inaccuracy of something that we have no evidence for?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 2413 of 3207 (869668)
01-03-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2411 by Phat
01-03-2020 12:10 PM


Re: Who Wrote Genesis?
If the author was a Moses as you and tradition demand, then do you not think there would be some sort of historical record of him and the events he supposedly participated in. Provide some sort of evidence that Moses existed as a historical figure, then you can work on the evidence that he wrote Genesis.
The only Genesis that actually is worth listening to.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 2431 of 3207 (869893)
01-07-2020 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2430 by Phat
01-05-2020 3:59 PM


Re: Moving To Faith & Belief Topic
Wouldn't it better to use science arguments. It seems to me to be a weenie move to move this out so that you can use lame nonscientific arguments. But it does show you have no actual arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 2433 of 3207 (869896)
01-07-2020 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2432 by Phat
01-07-2020 3:08 PM


Re: Moving To Faith & Belief Topic
And you have no actual beliefs.
Again you misrepresent reality. I have lots of beliefs. I have very strong beliefs on moral and ethical behavior. I have very strong beliefs that all people should be treated fairly and without discriminatory prejudice. I have very strong beliefs in justice and right and wrong.
What I don't have is a belief in the supernatural. Supernatural includes some sort of god.
So how about you stop telling lies about me.
I don't defend religious belief with facts or evidence.
You don't defend them with arguments at all. You string words together that look impressive, but if you actually took a moment to be objective and read what you claim are arguments, you would see they are just word salad and empty platitudes.
Whenever you say things like "being one with christ" or "the living christ", why don't you take some time and think about what that means. Then try to explain it in a way that someone that has never heard of jesus christ can understand what you mean. If you can not do that, then those words and terms actually mean nothing. You are just repeating bullshit that apologists have been spouting for years.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 2855 of 3207 (894927)
06-02-2022 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2853 by Tangle
06-02-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I don't think so. Abortion has beeen around since.the first person figured how to do it. For millenia.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2862 of 3207 (895521)
07-05-2022 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2856 by Tangle
06-03-2022 3:22 AM


Re: Ringo and Jar. Two peas in a pod
I guess you need to define convenience.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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