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marc9000
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Message 1081 of 1184 (895483)
07-02-2022 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by Percy
06-28-2022 3:18 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
You don't seem to remember much from previous posts. I very recently included comments about staying on topic in a message to you. Do you not remember it? It said that all topics tend to drift into side discussions as part of the natural flow, but that when a diversion onto some other topic becomes long or threatens to displace the main topic then it's time to consider taking it to another more appropriate thread. Does that sound familiar to you? It doesn't seem so, because nothing you just wrote indicates you have any awareness of it.
I guess it depends on who is reading what I wrote. I really avoided responding to much of your off-topic comments in both Message 1060 and Message 1062.
What you said is more in the nature of trying to be intentionally annoying, especially since everything in my post that wasn't about gun control was a response to something you said. I don't generally just spontaneously go off-topic the way you do. My mind doesn't keep dropping into free-association mode, and I don't keep seeing associations that don't exist.
What you see as "free association mode", comes from two distinct things; 1) As usual here, I'm facing a frantic gang, who pulls me in different directions, trying to shout down free speech. And 2), gun control is something that can have projections and repercussions that start an unlimited array of changes in a once free society. It has in past societies. Have you noticed, since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, how in the news media (even the places where you get YOUR news) that the cries are "WHAT'S NEXT? Will abortion be outlawed nationwide? Will gay marriage be outlawed? How many more of our rights will this Supreme Court deny us?" But in the news, when it comes to gun control, there NEVER is question of WHAT'S NEXT? That should be an advantage to a forum like this, to discuss drifts into relevant, side discussions. But no, I guess not.
I don't usually watch videos (which I've told you at least several times now), so no, of course I didn't. A quick scan of your posts to this thread reveals a single video about Matthew McConaughey, so I assume that's not the one you mean.
No it's not, your quick scan must have been lightening quick, because it was very plain. It wasn't embedded, but the link was very clear. Message 1057
This should be an indicator to you that the 2022 U.S. government isn't a brand new, caring institution that we can blindly entrust all our freedoms to, without worrying the way tyrants in the past have operated. There are videos and instances from the past of government representatives destroying useful property. And that was before climate change was invented.

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Message 1082 of 1184 (895484)
07-02-2022 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by Theodoric
07-02-2022 8:40 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Your original post insinuated that there is open carry. There is not.
FROM YOUR LINK;
quote
It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective
Uh oh!! Care to try again? Or just name call? (open carry is very rare in the U.S.) It's not "quite common".

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marc9000
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Message 1127 of 1184 (909236)
03-29-2023 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1125 by Phat
03-28-2023 6:36 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
That is perhaps the saddest and most heart wrenching article that I have ever read.
I agree of course, most everyone does. The pictures of the innocent victims.....just leaves me without words, frustrating.
Those AR 15's need to be outlawed or limited to police and military only. There is no good use for such a gun.
How about a military, ground invasion of the U.S. by the Taliban, Iran, China, Russia? Did you ever hear about this;
quote:
After Pearl Harbor, did the Japanese refrain from invading the mainland United States because they feared there were gun-savvy Americans in nearly every home?
That’s the claim of a 20-paragraph post on Facebook that has been shared more than 21,000 times.
PolitiFact | After Pearl Harbor, Japanese didn't invade US because they feared armed citizens?
As you can see by reading that, "experts" (liberal college professors) fell all over themselves to declare that an armed U.S. citizenry had absolutely nothing to do with an enemy's decision to do, or not do, a mainland, ground invasion of the U.S. Do you believe them?
quote:
This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.
It was such a ridiculous idea that Facebook needed to CENSOR it, to keep as many people as possible from discussing it, or thinking about it? Democrats agree with this censorship of course, while calling Republicans "fascists". This is clearly in the "you-can't-make-this-stuff-up catagory.
If you were a soldier, would you rather storm the beach of a country WITH an armed citizenry, or WITHOUT, knowing that most houses you approached posed no armed threat to you?
Is there NO CHANCE that a future 9/11 style sucker-punch to the U.S could partly or completely involve a ground invasion? Considering the current state of our southern border? And the tactical leader of an invasion would give NO THOUGHT to the differences between an armed society versus one that has been disarmed by its government?

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marc9000
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Message 1135 of 1184 (909283)
03-30-2023 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1128 by AZPaul3
03-29-2023 11:22 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Because I once was a soldier I can tell you I wouldn’t want to come up against the military power of our present armed forces. It’s suicide. Go ask the Iraqis.
That wasn't the question. 9/11, and countless other possibilities of U.S mainland attacks don't include the U.S. military. The U.S. military isn't present in every day American life. 9/11 was an attack on everyday American life. The U.S. military wasn't present until it was all over.
marc9000 writes:
Is there NO CHANCE that a future 9/11 style sucker-punch to the U.S could partly or completely involve a ground invasion?

Serious? In this world of overexposure do you really think such a surprise would not be seen miles and years away?
Sure, like 9/11 was? If on 9/10/01 I would have raised the possibility on that kind of attack, would your reply been something like this? "WHY YOU STUPID MOTHER *)^$%#COCK (%#(&!@ SON OF A GIRL DOG *%!)^%$ WHITE BOY!!!!! ARABS???? TAKING THE CONTROLS OF DOMESTIC FLIGHTS?!?!?1 WHAT IN THE G%@)&%^$$# H*$@ GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FREELY, YOU G)%@*^ )$&^K MOTHER *$@*^%$ FASCIST????
You are not keeping touch with the modern world. You can no longer move and harbor those kinds of military resources without someone noticing. Take your blinders off, marc, this is not the 90's.
Nope, this is the world of a wide open southern border. Someone's noticing every little thing that's coming over the southern border?
If your grandiose alien armed invasion is like what Russia tried in Ukraine then good luck not getting your teeth kicked in well prior to your d-day. We are not Ukraine.
No, not like that. More like 9/11. Or anything that could be being planned in Afghanistan right now, with all the U.S. military equipment that Biden gave them. Maybe something to do with chemical / biological weapons. It will be a quick surprise, just like 9/11. A disarmed U.S. public could very well make it easier for them.
If it is something way less, like what Russia has been forced into, then what is the point? Like Russia, any attempt to pull off any such invasion, will be sending fodder into the awaiting tender mercies of a world-wide American military buzzsaw. No civilians necessary. In fact, if the civilian weekend warriors get in the way they are going to die.
The American military buzzsaw was not present on 9/11. And if Afghanistan has any plans with chemical / biological weapons, they're smart enough to see to it that the U.S. military won't be present until they're done, and probably dead. Suicide attackers are like that.
Yeah, marc, I think there is NO CHANCE that a future 9/11 style sucker-punch to the U.S could partly or completely involve a ground invasion.
That's fine, that's what I'm looking for, evidence that hardly any Democrat actually learned something from 9/11.

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marc9000
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Message 1137 of 1184 (909286)
03-30-2023 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1130 by Percy
03-30-2023 7:42 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
I think you need to find and give more weight to knowledgable, experienced and authoritative sources.
I do agree with a few things college professors say, like their claim that "Argument from Authority" is a logical fallacy.
AbE: The Facebook post linked to by that Politifact article brings you to a page that says, "Sorry, this content isn't available right now."
But the link I put up worked! This statement was there;
quote:
This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.
That's what it said! Why should I go down a rabbit trail hoping to find something that contradicts it?
It mystifies me that you're unable to look at a report supportive of what you'd like to believe true and examine it for accuracy and rationality.
It mystifies me that you still seem to be in the fantasy land that Facebook and Twitter don't / didn't censor Republican free speech. Back when Jack Dorsey still ran Twitter, he denied under oath to a question by a congressman that he censored anything by any conservative. Musk's takeover, Twitter files, show that he lied under oath. No reports on ABC World News Tonight.
You don't think that an armed populace has anything to do with possible tactics of U.S. enemies? Do you think the Afghanistan occupiers current thoughts and plans take NO consideration of an armed, or disarmed U.S. general public? Would they be indifferent, would they approve of a U.S. gun ban, would they disapprove? How about Mexican drug runners, gun runners? Could those gun runners instantly get new markets each time the U.S. passes new gun laws?

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marc9000
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Message 1139 of 1184 (909288)
03-30-2023 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1131 by Phat
03-30-2023 8:44 AM


Re: AR-15 kept around in case of mainland invasion?
If that is the only primary reason for keeping it legal to own such a weapon, I would argue that the current risk(random civilian shootings) outweighs the only reward(protecting the US mainland in the event of an invasion). Comments?
I think the cost of each has to be weighed. Safe to say that more children were killed on 9/11 than all past U.S. mass shootings combined. 9/11 was more costly than many people realize - my one-man business insurance went up a few thousand dollars for the next 5 or 6 years before settling back down. The insurance industry has to recover its losses. Those kinds of costs, in addition to many others, (increased security as only one more example) can never be fully recovered, they continue on indefinitely. Contributes to the national debt.
How would a "ban AR-15's" law work? Just no new sales (to anyone but government, or a qualified government employee) or a confiscation of existing ones? A name was signed, a background check was done for most all of them in existence. Would every one be mandated to be turned in, in a measured amount of time? "Turn them in on time peasants, if you value the hinges on your front door." Democrats only seek the public outcry to ban, details seem to come later.
Did you know that there was a mob of Democrat teenagers in the Nashville state capital building today, chanting for gun control, confronting and screaming at security? A few of them attacked a few non-Democrat demonstrators with a sign that said something about "a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun", the exact thing that happened in the most recent shooting. They tore the sign up. Fox News had live footage of it on during my lunch break today. No reports of it on ABC World News Tonight.
Here's what's going on Phat, the climate change movement is moving, but it's stuck in low gear. The next step to private property inspections / invasions is to first disarm the public. The process is far too slow for Democrats liking. The last thing they need now is any more resistance in addition to the normal conservative resistance. That new resistance is now in the form of the public thinking and discussion about how the second amendment could be an additional benefit, however slight, to U.S. national security. That's why big-tech Facebook is doing its part to suppress references to it. The southern border problem the U.S. has right now is unprecedented. More people than just Republicans realize it, and the danger it poses. I hope you do.

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marc9000
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Message 1140 of 1184 (909289)
03-30-2023 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1132 by PaulK
03-30-2023 8:50 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Maybe you do, but you’re on the same side as those who don’t agree.
Nope, not on the side of the mass shooting recruiting, sensationalizing news media.
Alex Jones springs to mind after his coverage of Sandy Hook.
The ratings seeking, climate change loving news media springs to mind for me.
marc9000 writes:
How about a military, ground invasion of the U.S. by the Taliban, Iran, China, Russia?

I’d say that means that you want school shootings to go on.
What logic!
None of them are exactly plausible threats. But then I have to remind myself that you are a complete moron who apparently believes utter rubbish if it suits him.
This recent, school shooter, even though mentally ill, proved that even someone mentally ill is able to plan and prepare for their moments of notoriety. They can also plan their way around government "bans". I have to remind myself that people who actually claim to think new laws are in any way going to reduce school shootings might have a climate change big government appetite that overcomes their common sense.
Facebook didn’t censor it, they flagged it as misinformation. Because it is. And it needed to be flagged as misinformation because unthinking gun supporters didn’t think enough to see that it was utterly ridiculous.
Oh my bad, they didn't censor it, they FLAGGED it! There must be a major difference, maybe one of your fixers can help you explain it!
There is no reasonable chance of it, no. Even states better equipped than WWII Japan either have no motive or better things to do with their military than ship it across an ocean to where it can be hammered to pieces. Or risk nuclear retaliation.
That's what happened on 9/11 isn't it? it would be impossible for a Pearl Harbor air attack on a U.S. NON military installation, wouldn't it? Swoop down low, bomb it, and fly away long before the U.S. military shows up? Or suicide ram it? A few AR-15's can pick them out of the sky, if someone knows how to use it. A disarmed public cannot. Far fetched I know. So was 9/11.
And I note that you obviously have no respect for the US military.
More amazing liberal logic. Can you quote anything I've said that suggests that?
Armed citizens are only a factor if the military can’t stop the invaders. Yet you think that the Taliban could launch a successful invasion of the U.S.?
Armed citizens can be a factor for any variety of SURPRISE attacks, committed and over minutes, hours, or days before the military can get there. Like 9/11.

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marc9000
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Message 1141 of 1184 (909290)
03-30-2023 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1133 by PaulK
03-30-2023 8:53 AM


Re: AR-15 kept around in case of mainland invasion?
Of course real threats outweigh paranoid delusions. No sane person could think otherwise. Not to mention that the US has a large and well-equipped military and a National Guard.
#3, who didn't learn ONE THING from 9/11.

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Message 1142 of 1184 (909291)
03-30-2023 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1134 by Taq
03-30-2023 5:15 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
Let's be real. The main reason people own assault rifles is because they think they are cool and fun to shoot. There are paranoid nutjobs who think they need to guard themselves from some fever dream fantasy they have, but those are the minority, a very scary minority.
Yes, some of them were sitting on planes on 9/11 wishing they had a gun, a few minutes before they died. #4.
If people have anything other than a handgun for home defense, chances are those other guns are either for hunting or for fun.
Yes, it's fun to have a skill. Especially a skill that can prove life-and-death useful.

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marc9000
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Message 1150 of 1184 (909369)
04-01-2023 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1138 by Theodoric
03-30-2023 8:12 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
marc9000 writes:
Argument from Authority
You might want to learn what that fallacy actually means. Cuz, it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Haha, show me what you think it means and then we''ll discuss it. (or are you trying to pull me off-topic so I can get "flagged"?
marc9000 writes:
Musk's takeover, Twitter files, show that he lied under oath.
Provide the facts to back this claim.
Jack Dorsey told Congress under oath Twitter was not shadow-banning
quote:
“On its face, Dorsey has vulnerability after the latest release. Dorsey was repeatedly asked about censoring and shadow banning, which has now been confirmed in these files.” George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley told The Post.
“The greatest defense for Dorsey may be found in the Justice Department itself. Any prosecution of Twitter executives could prove a hard sell for Attorney General Merrick Garland, whose department has been repeatedly accused of pronounced political bias.”
You never heard this?? Of course not, you're a fan of the mainstream media. Millions of mainstream media fans have no idea how much actual news is hidden from them.

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Message 1151 of 1184 (909370)
04-01-2023 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1147 by Percy
03-31-2023 9:58 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
What are you imagining that a better armed citizenry would have done about 9/11?
I'm not imagining a better armed citizenry. I'm imagining a much worse armed citizenry, one that would have made 9/11 worse, and made planning for it much easier for the terrorists. They had to get in the country and on those planes without knowing who could be armed. They planned it well, an armed citizenry can't prevent all terrorism obviously. But it can be a deterrent in some cases.
How are you defining "wide open southern border"?
More illegal immigration, more illegal drugs crossing it than ever before in U.S. history.
What are you imagining that a well armed citizenry could do about chemical and biological weapons?
For any ground invaders of the U.S., for introduction of any kind of attack or terrorism, being more unsure about just who is armed is going to be a deterrent for many things they would need to do. LIke move around within U.S. bordrs, eat, sleep, etc.
Fighting these kinds of surreptitious attacks is more the realm of the CIA and other national security organizations than the military.
Preventing them yes, dealing with them after they're underway, not so much.

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marc9000
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Message 1153 of 1184 (909374)
04-01-2023 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1148 by Percy
03-31-2023 10:20 AM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
The point was that the article communicated a false impression. That post was not "flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed." Facebook merely says, "Sorry, this content isn't available right now." Anyone who thinks they know why it's unavailable is engaging in speculation.
In spite of all the evidence that Zuckerberg and Dorsey lean left politically? Pretty logical speculation.
But if the content was actually "false news and misinformation" then I'm glad Facebook isn't making it available.
It was about speculation of what the Japanese did or didn't do during WW2. Not possible to label any opinion on what Japan "would have done" as absolutely false or true.
There is an uneven balance between those on the political left versus those on the right, concerning censorship. The left showed clear approval of Trump being banned from Twitter, other conservatives banned from Twitter. Conservatives banned from speaking at college campuses, etc. We never hear much about conservatives attempting to censor liberals. And some of them say really dangerous, stupid things sometimes. Conservatives tend to trust public judgement of what they're hearing better than liberals do.
I'm against censorship, but I'm also against the media repeating what they know to be misstatements of fact using the excuse that they're merely reporting what was said or claimed.
That's exactly what the mainstream media did when they reported that a policeman was beaten to death by a fire extinguisher by Trump supporters. That was a pure lie, a far cry from an opinion about a Japanese action during WW2.
A multi-million dollar investigation showed the mainstream media's lie was reported as fact, month after month before, that there was Trump-Russian collusion during the 2016 election. Much more evidence that was a lie, than conservative opinion that the 2020 election was stolen.
For an invasion? No. An armed citizenry might serve as the foundational basis for a resistance should an invasion prove successful.
AGREED!! And a resistance could be very important, and save a lot of lives, and possibly save the nation. Much more important than an emotional "do something, anything" to step-by-step weaken the second amendment because of the actions of a tiny percentage of mentally ill people. I'm not the only one who believes news media sensationalism encourages mass shootings much more than the 250 year long availability of guns in the U.S.
Why are you imagining an Afghanistan invasion? Do they even have a Navy?
I don't know, but they have much more U.S. military equipment now than they had when Bin-Laden planned 9/11 from that country. And since Bin-Laden became fish food, it's reasonable to surmise that they probably have more hate for the U.S. now than they did in 2001.
I'm sorry, Marc, but to me you seem way out there. Conspiracy theories seem to have much greater appeal to you than reality.
Conspiracy theories go both ways of course. (Trump-Russian collusion?) Seems like if a conservative calls attention to something, it's a conspiracy theory, and when a liberal does, he's a "whistleblower".

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Message 1154 of 1184 (909375)
04-01-2023 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1152 by Theodoric
04-01-2023 10:02 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
So you don't know what it means.
I do, you don't. "Authority" is valid concerning facts, like "no evidence for Trump-Russion collusion". It's not valid for OPINION, like what the Japanese reasons were for doing what they did generations ago.
But the Twitter files do not provide any evidence to the contrary to show that anything like this was politically biased
So he couldn't have been politically biased, he just lied for fun? (I love this place)

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Message 1156 of 1184 (909377)
04-01-2023 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1149 by Taq
03-31-2023 4:11 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
So you think people should be allowed to take assault rifles onto planes???
I said "gun", not "assault rifle". A concealed handgun could have proven useful.
I do agree that handgun training can be worthwhile. Assault rifle training . . . not so much. In the military and police force, yes. For your everyday civilian, no.
A reasonable opinion. But this recent shooter, was described as having both a "handgun", and an "assault pistol". I assume round capacity is what separates the classifications. Could an assault rifle ban be a stepping stone to next go after "assault pistols" as well? Leaving the general public with only "handguns"? Leaving others with stronger opinions than you to get the handguns as a final step to a total second amendment repeal? Would you feel slightly responsible for a total second amendment repeal?

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Message 1158 of 1184 (909380)
04-01-2023 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1155 by xongsmith
04-01-2023 10:22 PM


Re: What Damage an AR-15 Can Do
...so the actual people who LIVE THERE and are interviewed AT THE BORDER are all lying when they say nothing is happening..
Link me to some of those interviews, and I'll link you to people who live at the border whose property is overrun and vandalized by illegals, and we'll compare.
Texas Rancher Says Illegal Immigrants Repeatedly Damage His Property
Farmers, ranchers impacted by border crisis share stories online - Texas Farm Bureau
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Fences are sometimes cut as illegal immigrants move across farms and ranches. Others are destroyed in bail-outs during high speed chases.
Homes and barns are vandalized. Equipment and vehicles are stolen. Clothes, backpacks, other items and trash are left behind in the “camps” as illegal immigrants move through their property, leaving farmers and ranchers left to clean up the mess. And fear and anxiety are high for families concerned about their safety.
And I'll bet you're just as skilled as Theodoric at conceding points.
what a sack of shit for you to say. you should find another group to disgorge your rectal vomits into instead of here, in Percy's fine group. If you want to smear shit on the walls, maybe you should storm the Capital instead.
Should Percy censor me, or just flag me?
marc9000 writes:
Preventing them yes, dealing with them after they're underway, not so much.

You must mean like the Clinton administration did, warning Dubbya about Osama and 9/11.
No, more like the Clinton administration's FAILURE to kill Bin Laden in 1998.
A day before Sept. 11, 2001, former President Bill Clinton told an audience that he could have had Osama bin Laden killed, but chose not to, because an attack could have endangered innocent women and children in Afghanistan.
Loolz!!
Thank you for helping the others out, I'm sure they appreciate it.

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