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ringo
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Message 926 of 1184 (894944)
06-03-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 924 by marc9000
06-03-2022 8:26 AM


Re: Biden's speech
marc9000 writes:
The ratings seeking, profit mad, shooting recruiting news media ....
quote
"When a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news." -- New York Sun editor John B. Bogart
Mass shootings in the US happen so often that it isn't news. They shouldn't even be mentioned in the news. Maybe a running body count a couple of times a year.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 940 of 1184 (895034)
06-06-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 937 by jar
06-06-2022 8:03 AM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
The good guys with guns are obeying the laws....
Don't all guns start out legal? Aren't they all purchased legally from the factory?
So how do they magically get into the hands of bad guys?
It seems to me that the obvious answer is: At some point, the "responsible" gun owners are not all that responsible.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 949 of 1184 (895069)
06-07-2022 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by jar
06-07-2022 8:05 AM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
We have never funded mental health....
We have a similar issue going on here right now. A while back, a young fellow went to the emergency room asking for mental health help. They made an appointment for him and sent him away. Hours later, he returned to the emergency room saying he felt suicidal. Security guards threw him out. Hours later, his dead body was found in a lake a mile away.
During the last couple of years we have had almost as many deaths from suicide and drug overdoses as we have had from covid.
jar writes:
Colt is a great example. They have a website where you can look up a gun by the serial number.... Message 944
Another anecdote: In the 60s there was an armed robbery in Toronto. Somebody was killed. Police caught the perpetrator and recovered the gun. They traced it back to the Colt factory in Hartford, Connecticut and to the gun shop that had bought it from the factory and to the first person that had bought it from the gun shop. Then they traced it though a dozen or so owners - one had bought it for his girlfriend and she didn't want it so he sold it to a friend, etc. The gun had changed hands a dozen times before it was used in a murder and except for the first two transactions, every one of them was illegal. And everyone who owned that gun, except for the murderer, would probably consider himself a "responsible gun owner".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 980 of 1184 (895121)
06-08-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 961 by jar
06-07-2022 8:04 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
...the issue is not gun laws, it's thinking utterly stupid gun laws would actually do something....
As I have suggested before in this thread, the reason gun laws don't work is because many of the self-styled "responsible gun owners" are not obeying the laws. They are the ones who are putting the guns into the hands of the perpetrators. It doesn't matter how strict the laws are if "law-abiding" gun owners don't abide by them.

Edited by ringo, .


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 982 of 1184 (895124)
06-08-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by jar
06-08-2022 7:58 AM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
But again, the problem is violence not guns.
Maybe the desire to do violence.
But the violence - or the degree of violence - is, in fact, caused by the guns. There's a reason why mass-killers choose guns to do their violence instead of teaspoons. Guns were invented for killing people. They're very efficient at it. If you want to kill a lot of people in a hurry, guns are your best choice. Try killing twenty people with a teaspoon.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 987 of 1184 (895129)
06-08-2022 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 984 by jar
06-08-2022 12:16 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
Are you sure you can't come up with a method of killing other than the choice of guns or a teaspoon?
I use that example to illustrate the fact that it IS the weapon that determines the degree of violence, NOT the state of mind of the perpetrator. No matter how insanely violent people are, they can not ACT on their violent urges without the weapon.
jar writes:
And again, reality.

There are over 400 MILLION guns already in the US.
Oh, I have no illusions about the reality. Nothing is going to be done.
As I have said before, when the last American shoots the second-last American, we invade.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 1024 of 1184 (895231)
06-16-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1018 by marc9000
06-14-2022 8:31 PM


Re: Biden's speech
marc9000 writes:
Just like law abiding citizens with guns are your favorite whipping boy?
My favorite whipping boys are idiots. Gun nuts and conservatives tend to fit into that category. It also includes anti-science nuts, religious nuts, etc. Plenty of whips for all of you.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 1054 of 1184 (895380)
06-24-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1052 by marc9000
06-23-2022 9:51 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
marc9000 writes:
Are gun control advocates completely comfortable and content with domestic agencies of the U.S. government being heavily armed?
Am I getting a whiff of, "Ordinary citizens need to be armed to protect themselves from the government?"
I know your nation is built on treason but most "revolutionary governments" tend to be rapidly opposed to counter-revolutions. If you're planning on rising up against your government, it's probably a good thing that you finally found out they were armed.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 1058 of 1184 (895411)
06-26-2022 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1057 by marc9000
06-25-2022 9:37 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
marc9000 writes:
Do Democrats rejoice at this sort of thing?
1. I am not a Democrat, so I don't presume to know what they think.
2. I don't necessarily "rejoice" but I do approve. In Canada, confiscated weapons go to the local steel mill to be melted down into pipelines.
I wonder if they have plans to bulldoze anything else in the future, after the public is more completely disarmed?
I wish they had plans to further disarm the public.
Maybe older cars that cause climate change?
Good idea.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1064 of 1184 (895439)
06-27-2022 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1063 by Theodoric
06-27-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
Theodoric writes:
marc9000 writes:
a time when most American males carried guns, and had NO GUN LAWS to obey.
Not true. If you want to provide sources and evidence I will engage. Until then what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Gun laws in the "Wild West":
quote
"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 1070 of 1184 (895446)
06-27-2022 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1066 by marc9000
06-27-2022 8:19 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
marc9000 writes:
You'll notice that Ringo, and his green dot providers have no problem with antique cars also being crushed by government. They must have hobbies that don't include antique cars, that they think are no threat to the environment, and they have no fear of government crushers coming after them next.
If the government comes after me, I'll fight them at the ballot box, not by shooting them.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1074 of 1184 (895453)
06-28-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1071 by AZPaul3
06-27-2022 9:37 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
AZPaul3 writes:
Keep in mind, however, though name calling is socially and intellectually vapid, that in no way alters the fact that you really are an idiot.
As I have said before, pointing out to a fat person that he is fat is not "name-calling" per se. It may be rude, insensitive, etc. but he has no right to feel insulted. Embarrassed maybe but not insulted.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1098 of 1184 (895752)
07-18-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Percy
07-18-2022 7:07 AM


Re: Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
Percy writes:
... you know you're free when you're packing and are constantly peering around every corner on the lookout for threats.
Several years ago, on another forum, an American was saying he had visited Vancouver and he was glad he was "packing". First I told him I didn't believe it was that easy to smuggle guns into Canada. (Our border guards are constantly encountering Americans who don't realize that you can't cross the border with a trunk full of guns.)
Then I pointed out to him that millions of Canadians walk those streets every day unarmed.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 1105 of 1184 (896506)
08-11-2022 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1104 by Phat
08-11-2022 11:04 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
Phat writes:
With such legislation in place, would the thieves still be able to get their guns illegally?
As I have suggested before, ALL guns were legal when they were manufactured. The thieves are getting them from "responsible gun owners".

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1110 of 1184 (896517)
08-12-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1108 by DrJones*
08-12-2022 12:08 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
DrJones writes:
ringo writes:
The thieves are getting them from "responsible gun owners".
not entirely there is also straw purchases and theft from gun stores
I didn't say entirely. But we need to stop giving the "responsible gun owners" a pass.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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