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Message 1028 of 1184 (895240)
06-16-2022 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1026 by AZPaul3
06-16-2022 3:05 PM


Re: Biden's speech
How can you function in society with such an extreme lack of intellect?
It's hard. It's lonely being just about the only American who didn't fall in passionate love with Biden when he closed the Keystone Pipeline. Or gave the Taliban the entire country of Afghanistan, plus millions of dollars worth of U.S. weaponry. Closing the pipeline had absolutely nothing to do with todays diesel and gasoline prices, and subsequent inflation, an intellectual here told me that, can't remember which one. And I believed him!!!! I'm really going to be embarrassed this coming November after the elections.

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Message 1036 of 1184 (895265)
06-18-2022 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1030 by Tanypteryx
06-17-2022 12:31 AM


Re: Biden's speech
marc9000 writes:
[sarcasm]Closing the pipeline had absolutely nothing to do with todays diesel and gasoline prices, and subsequent inflation[/sarcasm]

How could it, considering that it was going to carry Canadian oil owned by Canadian companies, headed to the Golf of Mexico to be loaded on tankers and shipped to none U.S. Canadian costumers? And it would not be carrying oil by now anyway.
There is a worldwide shortage and price spike of oil. Any blockage of transportation or production from ANY one place to ANY other place in the world is going is going to cause an increase in scarcity and price. In oil or any product. I know you could never understand it, few posters here could, I'm surprised you only got 2 green dots.
If it was not carrying oil by now if not closed down, it would be a lot CLOSER to being ready by now if it wasn't closed down. It's distribution possibilities could have been PLANNED ON - part of the reason oil prices are high now is because of uncertainty in future production and transportation. Especially with the additional things Biden did to undo Trump's energy policies.

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marc9000
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Message 1037 of 1184 (895267)
06-18-2022 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1032 by Percy
06-17-2022 10:59 AM


Re: Biden's speech
Percy writes:
The reality is that the media is your favorite whipping boy. You've blamed them for innumerable things over the years.

Just like law abiding citizens with guns are your favorite whipping boy?

Why not just accuse me of being a communist?
Because I don't name call. You propose laws for NO ONE but law abiding citizens, as if that will cause a huge number of guns to magically disappear. Can't you learn from history, that prohibition DID NOT cause the consumption of alcohol to diminish in any meaningful way? That it caused nothing but additional trouble?
Probably producers and anchors and other high ranking staff in consultation together make these decisions. And yes, of course for a sitting president when he uses the airwaves to undermine democracy. It was known Trump was telling lies then, and he's still telling the same lies.
And Biden never lied when he said "I'M GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE VIRUS", several times during his campaign? The media didn't cut him off.
There are other examples;
Joe Biden's Top 10 Lies of 2021
When it's factual that producers, anchors, and other high ranking staff in the mainstream media overwhelmingly vote for Democrats, they still make sure their news reporting is politically unbiased?
If you have no defense for your years of insupportable accusations against the media, just say so.
As you know, I've supported them. If you want to keep claiming that the mainstream media is completely unbiased, okay. Your helpers will call me names for it, and we'll just have to leave it there.
I have often said that politicians are all of the same breed. They possess similar qualities, it goes with wanting the job. Naturally some are better than others when it comes to honesty and integrity, but did any previous president, Republican or Democrat, ever lie in ways that threatened the foundation of democracy?
What way is that, trying to incrementally destroy the second amendment? How did Trump equally threaten the foundation of democracy? Getting off the backs of oil companies so the U.S. became energy independent?
Now you're just employing scare tactics. Quality gun control would involve registration of firearms, licensing of firearm owners, and hopefully safety improvements to the firearms themselves.
So the government knows who has them, so taking the future step of confiscation becomes easy for them. I love how climate change alarmists accuse OTHERS of "scare tactics".
marc9000 writes:
The more government requirements there are for skilled marksmen, the fewer skilled marksmen there are going to be.

Uh, okay, possibly. So?
So if an unforeseeable event happens in the future (Ukraine?) where as many citizens as possible need to be armed, there would be fewer people who would know how to use them. I know, a laugher, just like on September 10 2001, the thought of U.S. planes being flown into buildings by terrorists was a laugher.
I think we need laws that benefit the most people (i.e., result in the fewest firearm related deaths), not that address one-of events that pull at the heart strings.
LIKE MASS SHOOTINGS? They're "one-of" events exactly like a zoo emergency, until the news media smells a buck. Then they're big stuff for ONE kind of law, get the guns from law abiding citizens!!! Forget about mental illness, atheism taught in science classes, decay of morals, and a half dozen other things.
I see you chopped the alert to your sarcasm detecter off what you quoted. Anyway, what I've actually said about gun nuts is that they're in love with guns. The guns have an almost mystical power over them that allows them, and you're a good example, to simply deny or ignore all the evidence of their danger and the damage they're doing to our society.
Some would say the mystical power of the brutality of football over football fans is a danger to society. Or violent video games. Or the murder of the unborn. Or climate change hysteria. Or a half dozen other things that have a mystical power over Democrats / Trump haters.
marc9000 writes:
That you have to ask that, makes it clear that you have no appreciation of the freedoms you enjoy in the U.S.

Why can't you explain why you thought that point relevant or important? Is it because you're talking through your hat again? To repeat the question, how is my familiarity with what the general public knows relevant or meaningful? Giving no response and just claiming it's obvious is an undeniable deflection that raises serious doubts about whether you have an actual point.
My point is that I don't believe a free society can be maintained if many of its people so much take it for granted, that they have no concern for increasing apathy in their fellow citizens, who could be blind to the forces that want to destroy everyone's freedom, as has happened numerous times in world history.
Now you're just echoing false claims from the New York Post (Murdoch Corporation) and the Washington Times (Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church) and other conservative media that have little interest in truth and accuracy.
Just like I don't believe the NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN have much interest in truth and accuracy. (and I'm not alone)
Fewer Americans Than Ever Before Trust The Mainstream Media
Let's keep the discussion anchored in reality. No one besides you is promoting conspiracy theories, including where you accuse others of promoting conspiracy theories.
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These days you can pretty much bank on the Democrats and the Left moving from one conspiracy theory to the next. . . to the next, desperately hoping that somehow that can make a conspiracy theory real. They’ve gone from Russian collusion to Ukrainian Quid Pro Quo to the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) hoax. At some point, one expects them to solemnly intone that in reality Donald Trump is an alien. If we had a real media interested in truth and accountability, these hoaxes and conspiracy theories would be laughed out of the building by serious, thoughtful people - but they aren't.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/...racy_theory_144077.html#!

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Message 1038 of 1184 (895268)
06-18-2022 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1033 by Percy
06-17-2022 11:16 AM


Re: Biden's speech
But I think you're drifting off-topic. This thread's about gun control.
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I'll accept 14% of the blame.

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marc9000
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Message 1039 of 1184 (895269)
06-18-2022 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1034 by AZPaul3
06-17-2022 11:01 PM


Re: Biden's speech
As well you should believe him. That pipeline construction extension wasn’t productive. It wasn’t carrying any oil. It was still under construction. It’s untightened nuts and bolts have not the slightest effect on today's fuel prices. What a dunce.
Almost no product functions until it's complete. If it wasn't carrying oil while it was being constructed, that doesn't mean that it could never have carried oil. If Biden hadn't closed it, it would have many tight nuts and bolts, and would be nearer completion so it could carry oil, and help satisfy a world market.
If you don't understand, please babble some more, I LOVE this place!

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Message 1044 of 1184 (895276)
06-19-2022 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1041 by Percy
06-19-2022 10:16 AM


Re: Biden's speech
Maybe this can be taken to another thread.
I'll start a new, narrowly focused one.

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Message 1048 of 1184 (895346)
06-22-2022 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1047 by Tangle
06-22-2022 6:18 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
You're not thinking straight Percy. If everyone had to carry a gun by law, then, as there's more good guys than bad guys, it would obviously work out. The trick is to arm everyone.
Very good, that's how Switzerland does it.
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As for gun-related crime in general, a 2001 BBC article reported that in Switzerland “the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.”
Gun Ownership in Switzerland

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Message 1052 of 1184 (895367)
06-23-2022 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1051 by AnswersInGenitals
06-23-2022 4:56 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
I want us to live in a free state and for that state to be secure. To that end, we have a well regulated Militia made up of the people, US citizens, who keep and bear arms.

It is called The United States Department of Defense.
Is it also called the IRS? The Railroad Retirement Board?
Gaetz blasts IRS, railroad agency buying up ammo: 'The heaviest artillery they need is a calculator'
There seem to be many U.S. government agencies that have nothing to do with homeland security, law enforcement, or the military, yet have an appetite for guns and ammo almost as magical as the general public has.
Now I see some liberal websites that say "Oh this is nothing new, the IRS has been heavily armed long before the Biden presidency." What's new for me, and I'm sure millions of others, is not knowing this because the mainstream media never reports it.
Are gun control advocates completely comfortable and content with domestic agencies of the U.S. government being heavily armed? No questions about exactly why they do that?

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marc9000
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Message 1056 of 1184 (895401)
06-25-2022 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1053 by AZPaul3
06-24-2022 12:14 AM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
You say the news media is at fault for not informing you? Yet, every open public budget plan for every federal agency includes arms and ammo for their internal security service.

Public hearings. That is where the interested person can find these things. And the media publishes such, openly, for anyone willing to dig through the minutiae of budget details on a federal agency.
The majority of the general public is not interested in page after page of budget plans, of boring public hearings, or digging through minutiae of budget deals for federal agencies. If the general public doesn't have these things summarized and presented to them by someone, oh, maybe the mainstream media whose job it is to do it, then they become uninformed voters. It's not their fault, they have work to do, and lives to lead.
This was made clear in polls that showed a percentage of voters wouldn't have voted for Biden if they'd known about the Hunter Biden laptop, and the related corruption between father and son during the Biden vice presidency. This information was all over Fox News and the New York post, but the majority of the public missed it, because the mainstream, over-the-air news covered it up. And the public didn't spend any time digging for it.
Climate change is an issue that makes it to the top 5 or 6 of biggest concerns for Americans. They didn't get that concern by digging through reams of scientific information, they got it because the news media summarizes it and sensationalizes it for them. I think it ranked sixth, behind;
1) Inflation
2) Skyrocketing oil prices
3) The wide open southern border
4) Biden turning to shake hands with someone when no one was there (haha, just kidding, the news media covered that up)
5) Biden falling off his bicycle like a small child and hitting his empty head on the pavement (whoops, kidding again haha)
Maybe climate change is fourth, can't remember exactly.
So you believe the general public is fully informed, and approves of all the various domestic government agencies, who are heavily armed, who use taxpayer money to satisfy their appetites for more and more ammo?
One of the forum rules says something about "bare assertions". I don't mind bare assertions, if they are logical. Your bare assertion isn't logical. Do you have any links, any proof, that the public is cool with the IRS being heavily armed? Or you think that Matt Gaetz and I are the only ones who wonder about this? And what they believe they need ammo for?
This has been going on for centuries in security arms of every federal agency. That you did not know this is the fault of your own lack of sincerity on the issue. Your concern is fake. After centuries, now (in the last five minutes while writing your screed) security agency arms becomes a big concern for you to harp on and spew mud.
You describe the U.S. in terms of "centuries"? Did you know that the U.S. is less than three centuries old, and most all of its armed domestic agencies didn't exist even one century ago? The IRS wasn't formed until 1953. And I doubt it was heavily armed in its first year, or first decade.
Wake up, marc9000! There is an entire society here you apparently neglect to see. The media is not responsible for your shotty and politically-skewed attention span.

Oh my. The Postal Police have guns ... and have had guns since the pony express.
The Pony Express, yes, a time when most American males carried guns, and had NO GUN LAWS to obey. Does today's Postal Police have any new restrictions because of the new gun law Biden recently signed? Does any federal agency? Or are they, and all federal agencies passed over EVERY TIME a new gun law is passed for only the general public to obey?
You are such an idiot.
Another forum rule issue there, but I think that one was unofficially suspended when Trump became president, and the economy boomed. It could have come back in force when he was finally out, but it better stay suspended for awhile, since his replacement is such a disaster. So you and all your helpers can continue to call me a flurry of names, it's very impressive.

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Message 1057 of 1184 (895402)
06-25-2022 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1054 by ringo
06-24-2022 12:08 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
Am I getting a whiff of, "Ordinary citizens need to be armed to protect themselves from the government?"
Yes you are! Watch the following vid, and ask yourself if this looks like the U.S. to you;
Watch 900 ATVs and Motorcycles Bulldozed as NYC Mayor Waves Checkered Flag
Do Democrats rejoice at this sort of thing? I wonder if they have plans to bulldoze anything else in the future, after the public is more completely disarmed? Maybe older cars that cause climate change?
If you're planning on rising up against your government, it's probably a good thing that you finally found out they were armed.
There are no serious plans to "rise up against the government", but many regular Americans like the intimidation factor that an armed public has. The bravest, most arrogant government agent, whether armed with an automatic weapon or a bulldozer, doesn't like the idea of getting filled full of holes himself.

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Message 1066 of 1184 (895442)
06-27-2022 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1060 by Percy
06-26-2022 11:59 AM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
This is a gun control thread.
Yes. So most of this message of yours is about things other than gun control. I guess I'll keep this message of mine focused on the gun control things.
I think you should open a thread about the media and take all your complaints there.
It would be a lot of fun especially now, considering all the rioting that went on this past weekend was reported as "mostly peaceful" by the mainstream media. (Fox News showed a montage of those claims this evening, before showing all the fires and beating on windows and property damage and arrests for attempted murder of policemen, etc.) But everyone knows how biased the mainstream media is, there are tons of links that prove it. But my starting a thread would result in me being called names by a dozen or more posters here, and fending it off would be a full time job. I can't do a full time job here, the pay isn't too good.
This is finally something closer to the thread's topic, though I know nothing about how armed most federal agencies are.
That's clear, most gun controllers don't. They're not concerned with incremental threats of government tyranny, it doesn't happen anymore. That only happened in the past, early 1930's Germany, many other examples. Governments are angelic now, they only care about us.
What did you think of the vid I showed above, of a government supplied bulldozer smashing hundreds of useful motorcycles and ATV's? They were confiscated from crooks, they belonged to the government, and I can even understand if they're declared unavailable for registration and further use. But they could have been auctioned, either in a complete lot or individually, to salvage dealers to part them out.
From that link;
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The mayor said the city chose to destroy the dirt bikes rather than sell or donate them because it keeps them off the street permanently.
So HE knows better than the public what should be "kept off the streets". Though I can't understand it, I can clearly see that he enjoyed that. Tyrants seem to enjoy seeing useful property destroyed. I don't see evidence that tyrants of today, versus tyrants of the past, have different characteristics, that gun controlling politicians and bureaucrats are no more sweet and kind and caring today than those of the recent past or long past.
What does this have to do with gun control? You'll notice that Ringo, and his green dot providers have no problem with antique cars also being crushed by government. They must have hobbies that don't include antique cars, that they think are no threat to the environment, and they have no fear of government crushers coming after them next. More likely, they have no hobbies at all. I see evidence of lots of people like that, they eat, sleep, sit on their ass, seek entertainment, and do as little work as possible, and burn with jealousy of people who achieve things, like owners of antique cars.
They might even like to get in on that destruction. They shouldn't try it yet, gun owners of antique cars might not approve.
marc9000 writes:
One of the forum rules says something about "bare assertions". I don't mind bare assertions, if they are logical. Your bare assertion isn't logical. Do you have any links, any proof, that the public is cool with the IRS being heavily armed? Or you think that Matt Gaetz and I are the only ones who wonder about this? And what they believe they need ammo for?

Matt Gaetz, he of allegations of cocaine snorting and sex trafficking and shacking up with a 17-year-old girl and of showing images of girls he'd slept to Republican colleagues on the House floor, and of his legal troubles forcing him to let his law license lapse in Florida since it likely would not have been renewed anyway, is not exactly a font of truth.
Let's see, in one of your off-topic statements above, did you say something about "poisoning the wells"? (I love this place)
Enhancing background checks for gun buyers, part of the new legislation, is good. The rest of the bill, which incentivizes "red flag" laws and provides financial assistance for mental health and school safety, is like spitting in the wind: useless and pointless. Including dating partners as potential domestic abusers was the only other good thing.
Yes I know, gun control measures are NEVER enough.
I find name calling deplorable, mainly because it demonstrates such laziness. If someone has trouble with facts and logic then just say so while citing specific examples. Calling him an idiot is just lazy.
Calling HIM and idiot? Could you have worded that a little differently, or are you trying to make it look like I'm the one doing the name calling? Or are you calling Theodoric and AZPaul lazy?

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Message 1067 of 1184 (895443)
06-27-2022 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1061 by Theodoric
06-27-2022 9:32 AM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
You know that is not true. Or are you truly an idiot?
WHAT is not true? You didn't quote me. My Message 1048 was mainly about a link about Switzerland. (I LOVE this place)

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Message 1068 of 1184 (895444)
06-27-2022 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1062 by Percy
06-27-2022 12:23 PM


Re: Biden's speech
You're asking for the blatantly obvious for reasons known only to yourself, but to answer your question, Trump called the election fraudulent, even though he knew that was untrue, because he knew it would stir up his base, sowing chaos and confusion that he hoped would disrupt and hopefully change the counting of the electoral college votes, finally resulting in the January 6th insurrection. He's still calling the 2020 presidential election fraudulent even though unable to unearth any evidence, and despite even many Republicans telling him they can find no evidence of fraud anywhere near substantial enough to influence the outcome.
Welcome back to just one off topic comment. Do you remember Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, and other Democrats claiming the elections they lost were illegitimate? Did you hear Elizabeth Warren recently claim the the Supreme Court is now illegitimate? Did you hear the queen of Democrat intelligence, Maxine Waters say "To hell with the Supreme Court? Are they doing this to stir up their base, knowing the rioting will get a free pass from the mainstream media?
Do you think today's Supreme Court is illegitimate?
Welcome back to the thread's topic of gun control. Why do you think requiring registration of firearms, requiring that people be licensed to own a firearm, and requiring that guns have more safety features would destroy the second amendment?
Because it documents for them just who has the guns, making them easier to round up in the future, Australian style.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. You know why the government requires registration of cars, boats and planes? Because they're preparing for the future step of taking them away.
Very good, that's it! Climate Change! Let's start with antique cars! But bulldozer drivers and arrogant checkered flag wavers need the government to get the guns first. They prefer to not get filled full of holes.
marc9000 writes:
I love how climate change alarmists accuse OTHERS of "scare tactics".

Good to know you don't name call.
What name did I call? (I love this place)
Boy, for someone who doesn't name call you sure have a way of saying some wickedly horrible things about people.
Pointing out a lack of preparedness and foresight of what could happen is the equivalent of name calling?
Looks like that's about it for "on-topic" for now.

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Message 1069 of 1184 (895445)
06-27-2022 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1063 by Theodoric
06-27-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
marc9000 writes:
a time when most American males carried guns, and had NO GUN LAWS to obey.
Not true. If you want to provide sources and evidence I will engage. Until then what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I stand corrected. During the Pony Express, there were some local and state laws, controlling the wild cowboys in towns of those days. But there were no FEDERAL gun laws for 70+ years after the Pony Express. No laws for guns in the home.

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Message 1079 of 1184 (895481)
07-02-2022 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1072 by Theodoric
06-27-2022 10:00 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Theodoric writes:
You know that is not true. Or are you truly an idiot?
marc9000 writes:
WHAT is not true? You didn't quote me. My Message 1048 was mainly about a link about Switzerland. (I LOVE this place)
So I put up a link from Snopes (not considered a conservative source), you claim it's not true, name call, and then put up a link from Wikipedia (also not considered a conservative source) and apparently declare yours is true and mine is false, I guess just because you're true and noble, and anything I say is automatically false?
From your link;
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Recreational shooting is widespread in Switzerland. Practice with guns is a popular form of recreation, and is encouraged by the government, particularly for the members of the militia.
and;
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Switzerland has a strong gun culture compared to other countries in the world.
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The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the recruit school, the basic-training camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers).
Now from my link in Message 1048
Gun Ownership in Switzerland
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As noted on Wikipedia, Swiss men between the ages of 20 and 30 are typically expected to undergo militia training, a program which includes the issuance of and instruction in the use of firearms.
Your link was more detailed, but I didn't see any disagreement between the two. Why did you say my link was false? Can you be specific about why it's false? Or would it just be easier to fly into a rage and get a nice collection of green dots?
The reason I put the Snopes link up was to show that gun controllers (Percy's in this case) claim that guns in the home automatically make that home less safe isn't a cold, hard fact. It's just a gun control talking point, nothing more.

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