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Tangle
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Message 1009 of 1184 (895162)
06-10-2022 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1008 by vimesey
06-10-2022 4:12 AM


Re: Biden's speech
vimesey writes:
although in our case, we'd probably go with cricket bats rather than baseball bats if we did.
Weirdly I was thinking about that last night. It's much easier to see a baseball bat as a weapon than cricket bat. Cricket bats just don't seem to weaponise that easily. I suspect you could do more damage with a golf club. Maybe a pitching wedge?

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Message 1014 of 1184 (895181)
06-12-2022 4:12 AM
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06-11-2022 10:56 PM


Re: Biden's speech
Marc writes:
Have a nice time with what I say, but woe unto ya if a hostile country invades yours like the Ukraine was invaded.
Well that's even funnier. Who is this hostile country that can invade a NATO country with nothing but hand guns?
btw we have armed forces for that kind of work.

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Message 1047 of 1184 (895343)
06-22-2022 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1046 by Percy
06-22-2022 5:38 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
You're not thinking straight Percy. If everyone had to carry a gun by law, then, as there's more good guys than bad guys, it would obviously work out. The trick is to arm everyone.

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Message 1049 of 1184 (895348)
06-23-2022 3:38 AM
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06-22-2022 9:06 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Oh I think you can do better than Switzerland, they leave their rifles at home and have a silly law that makes it illegal to carry a gun in the street - totally pointless.
No, you need to properly arm everybody all the time. It needs to be illegal for every adult not to open carry hand guns in public. And every teacher and store owner must have an assault rifle on their desks and counters, just in case.
That'd do it.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1113 of 1184 (903057)
12-02-2022 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1112 by AZPaul3
12-02-2022 4:27 AM


Re: A Good Guy With a Gun
These things always seem counter to natural justice but the law is pretty clear; you have a right to defend yourself but once the danger has passed you can't just attack someone.
Had the bad guy not shot back, it's even possible that the good guy could have been charged for shooting him in the leg. Your right to protect your property only extends to using reasonable force - whether shooting someone amounts to reasonable in the US I wouldn't know given your love of guns and vigilantes. Likelihood would be a jury would refuse to find guilt even if the law seemed to require it anyway.
The situation is a bit different if the good guy was police. So long as he'd issued sufficient warnings he might be off the hook because the bad guy was actively resisting arrest. But I don't know your laws.

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Message 1180 of 1184 (910826)
05-18-2023 3:08 AM


Serbia can do it. After a mass school shooting
“ President Aleksander Vucic pledged the "practical disarmament" of the country, as he announced a list of new security measures intended to improve gun control on Friday morning.”
Serbians hand in guns and question culture of violence after two shootings - BBC News

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1182 of 1184 (910829)
05-18-2023 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1181 by Percy
05-18-2023 8:24 AM


I was sat in a coffee shop in downtown Tokyo with my son. A girl came in, took out her $1500 MacBook and placed it on an empty table. She then went to the toilet, then to the bar and returned to her table with her coffee. Took about 15 minutes in all.
I was gobsmacked. If that had been London the MacBook would have been gone in a flash.
My son says that that is perfectly normal and the way you reserve your place. He doesn't do it though.
Culture is a weird thing.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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