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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanyptyeryx writes:
Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge. That's what a scientific theory is, everything we know about the subject. Your irrational attempt to equate a theory with knowledge is typical of Darwinists and demonstrates how thoroughly deluded they are.
This has already been answered a bunch of times. Novel body plans and organs evolve through reproduction, with changes from generation to generation (descent with modification), and nature selects for differential reproductive success. Novel body plan and organs evolve the same way as all other biological features, they are only recognized as novel when humans compare them to ancestral forms.
Your theorizing is just bluff and is as meaningless as a fairy tale. Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
A theory is an explanation of a fact. So no, a theory doesn't "become" a fact. Never has, never will. Nobody but an illiterate anti-science dimwit would ever suggest that a theory "turns into" a fact. Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge. But evolution is a fact. And the theory of Evolution is an explanation of that fact. The theory of Evolution is the best explanation we have for the fact of evolution. In fact, it's the only theory. If you illiterate anti-science goobers could come up with an alternative theory, you might have a chance of defeating evolution.
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.Edited by ringo, : Added last paragraph. "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Describe a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
??? What am I denying?
Don't just deny, deny, deny.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
We know how novel features form in the population. We know the molecular and genetic processes that produce novel proteins and new combinations to produce novel features. We produce new body plans and weird configurations of drosophila and other bugs in the lab every day.
So what kind of satan-induced catholic lie is this “you don’t know” crap? We do know and we manipulate that knowledge to our own benefit every day. Despite your black-hearted lies we know these things with a great deal of certainty. So what is missing that you say we don’t know? And while you’re explaining, please explain why your catholic conception of a god is so murderous, blood thirsty and evil?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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??? What am I denying? Reality, truth, justice, the American way, sanity, logic, reason. In your fantasy world you ignore all of life with your evil horror of a god.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Dredge writes: No kidding! Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about? All that would do is demonstrate that you don't know how evolution works. Your refusal to say whether you accept that evolution has happened means that's there's little point discussing how it happened. You're just yet another fake Christian, boring troll.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Can you describe the step-by-step process involved in the (alleged) evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circlation heart? No - you don't even know how that process got to first base. All you can do is speculate - speculation doesn't demonstrate knowledge. What matters is that you can't describe any novel body plan or organ. I don't think you can point to a single novel body plan or novel organ. The evolutionary process is descent with modification, not poof with modification. Can you describe the step-by-step process involved in the (alleged) evolution of a whale's blowhole or tail?No - you don't even know how that process got to first base. All you can do is speculate - speculation doesn't demonstrate knowledge.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Listen asshole, since you can't describe cell division by cell division how you came to exist, then you can't possibly exist! So just f off unless you want to have a reasonable discussion.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Can you describe the step-by-step ... Yes, we can. Can you describe step-by-step how your god removed the rib? Can you describe step-by-step how your god created the heavens and the earth? No. Then he didn’t do it and your catechism is fake. Can you show step-by-step how you were potty trained? No. Then you aren’t.
Can you describe the step-by-step ... Yes, we can, to a rational and reasonable man, but not to a religious nutter.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
No one can possibly know the processes involved in the evolution of novel body plans or organs ... therefore no one can possibly claim to know how evolution works. Gunter Bechly came up with a similar challenge. And several biologists answered it. But, of course, Bechly rejected all of their answers, because what he was really asking was a matter of his subjective opinion. And he was not about to accept any responses to his challenge. See the discussion here:
Bechly’s “Species Pairs” Challenge Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge. Well, you fail to surprise me yet again. Your unsurprising lack of knowledge about scientific theories makes it difficult to explain anything to you.
Your irrational attempt to equate a theory with knowledge is typical of Darwinists and demonstrates how thoroughly deluded they are. Actually, I'm happy with my understanding that a scientific theory explains all the knowledge in the relevant field and none of the wild assed guesses of your catholic pedophile cult. I don't know any Darwinists, but I know what all scientists mean when they talk about theories, which you irrationally think is a wild assed guess, like your cult.
Your theorizing is just bluff and is as meaningless as a fairy tale. Awe, but your catholic cult actually is a fairy tale.
Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it As soon as you define a novel body plan or organ and explain what you are comparing its uniqueness to, and why. We've told you what we know, microevolution, descent with modification, repeated each generation, but you reject it. You seem to think there is some magic or something, but the evidence doesn't show anything else and supports what we've told you.
then I will accept that you know how evolution works. Like I said earlier, I'm happy with what I know. I've never expected or sought your acceptance.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Message 120 Can you describe the step-by-step process involved in the (alleged) evolution of a whale's blowhole or tail?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You're denying that we know how evolution works. I have explained the whale's blowhole in Message 120 and I have linked to that message several times but you just keep repeating the same lie. What am I denying? DISCUSS. If you don't understand, ASK."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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