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xongsmith
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Message 181 of 1429 (895009)
06-06-2022 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by marc9000
06-05-2022 8:09 PM


marc9k writes, in part:
...the only things about science the human mind can understand.
well, that is a helluva lot better than the alternative, wouldn't you say?

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

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Message 182 of 1429 (895011)
06-06-2022 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by marc9000
06-05-2022 8:09 PM


You'll find them at Ken Ham's Creation Museum and Answers In Genesis website.
A Hambone? A real Hambone? When it comes to crazy you guys rate right up there but with tax fraud and hookers.
You actually admit to believing his crap? A literal Genesis? A flud and underaged hookers at his Ark Park? That is your intellectual basis for opposing evolution? You really are demented.

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Message 183 of 1429 (895012)
06-06-2022 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by marc9000
06-05-2022 8:09 PM


marc writes:
You'll find them at Ken Ham's Creation Museum and Answers In Genesis website. A lot of reading there.
I'd call that fake science but I'm afraid it doesn't even qualify for that epithet. It's just pure fiction. It doesn't stand up to the most cursory of glances. If it did, we'd call it science and it would be in the world's textbooks. Not in a tiny little corner of Christian nutterland.
Yes I've been seeing yours from a hundred or so posters at this site for about 13 years now. They all have one thing in common, they disregard everything except atheism, everything except rearrangement and time, the only things about science the human mind can understand.
You don't seem to have learned anything in all that time which I guess is an achievement in itself.
This science = atheism thing though must be really hard to square in even an addled mind. It's just wrong isn't it? Atheism is a minority interest, most scientists - and that includes people working directly in areas such a evolutionary biology - are not atheists. So how does that work out for you?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 184 of 1429 (895284)
06-20-2022 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Tangle
06-04-2022 1:06 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Tangle writes:
I'm don't need a discussion on it I just need you to say whether you accept the evidence that evolution has happened or not.
I'm not disputing the evidence that suggests evolution has occurred.
then get into the how of evolutionary theory
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know.
Evidently, what you know about how novel body plans and organs evolve is next to nothing. In which case, how can you claim to know how evolution works?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 185 of 1429 (895286)
06-20-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dredge
06-20-2022 1:37 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know.
That's what a scientific theory is, everything we know about the subject.
Evidently, what you know about how novel body plans and organs evolve is next to nothing.
This has already been answered a bunch of times. Novel body plans and organs evolve through reproduction, with changes from generation to generation (descent with modification), and nature selects for differential reproductive success. Novel body plan and organs evolve the same way as all other biological features, they are only recognized as novel when humans compare them to ancestral forms.
This is really obvious.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tangle
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Message 186 of 1429 (895289)
06-20-2022 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dredge
06-20-2022 1:37 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
I'm not disputing the evidence that suggests evolution has occurred.
You inserted the word 'suggests'. Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I asked [...] "whether you accept the evidence that evolution has happened or not," not whether it suggests it.
You're equivocating aren't you?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 187 of 1429 (895290)
06-20-2022 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dredge
06-20-2022 1:37 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Then you basically admit that evolution happens. So why tf are you even posting here? Since you agree evolution happens, there is no argument!

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AZPaul3
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Message 188 of 1429 (895291)
06-20-2022 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dredge
06-20-2022 1:37 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know.
What we know is the ToE together with sister sciences like biology, genetics, paleontology and a whole host of others. And all that knowledge (note the root word of knowledge is to know) makes it plain to all but the most braindead that evolution made everything just as the theories predicted.
So, what do you think is missing that we don't know and how does that negate anything we do know in evolution?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 189 of 1429 (895295)
06-20-2022 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by kjsimons
06-20-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
But he doesn't agree. He is playing word games and being an all around dick.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 190 of 1429 (895298)
06-21-2022 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Tangle
06-04-2022 1:06 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
You keep trying to steer the discussion from knowing HOW evolution happens.
Tangle writes:
I'm (sic) don't need a discussion on it
No kidding! Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about? All that would do is demonstrate that you don't know how evolution works.

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Message 191 of 1429 (895299)
06-21-2022 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Tanypteryx
06-04-2022 1:11 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
Funny, I must have missed that, I haven't seen him do anything but ask inane questions. 
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit.
You can't describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel body plan or organ ... or how prokaryotes evoloved from eukaryotes ... or how whales evolved from a land animal ... or how an amphibian's heart evolved from a fish's heart.
In other words, your knowledge of how evolution works appears to be trivial and superficial, at best.
Knowing how finches' beaks changed shape over time doesn't prove you know how evolution produced the changes evident in the fossil record.

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Message 192 of 1429 (895300)
06-21-2022 10:34 AM
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06-21-2022 9:53 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit.
Oh, really, how?
It has been explained to you numerous times. You just don't like the answer.
You can't describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel body plan or organ
And you still have not described a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 193 of 1429 (895301)
06-21-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by marc9000
06-05-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
marc9000 writes:
Most, if not all, of the questions Dredge has raised have no chance of ever being accessible to the limited minds of man.
Well said. No one can possibly know the processes involved in the evolution of novel body plans or organs ... therefore no one can possibly claim to know how evolution works.
That is a simple, undeniable fact that Darwinists don't want to face up to. The modus operandi of the cult of Darwinism is to throw up a bewildering smoke-screen of science/pseudo-science in order to fool the masses ... which is very effective ... but they don't fool everyone.
What scares me is how publicly funded school science classes tell their captive audience school children that evolution and atheism have absolutely no connection to each other , while Intelligent design and Christianity are closely related. But it doesn't scare me too much, most kids are smart enough to see through that lie.
The late philosopher of science, William Provine was 100% correct when he said "Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented". It amazes me how many theistic-evolutionist scientists deny this obvious fact.
On one hand, the education system promotes atheism via an untestable scientific theory; but on the other hand, the education system despises intelliegence design, which uses scientific facts to promote theism. It's not hard to see a demonic conspiracy at work here.

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Message 194 of 1429 (895302)
06-21-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by AZPaul3
06-04-2022 6:29 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
All your theorizing is just meaningless bluff. Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 195 of 1429 (895303)
06-21-2022 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Dredge
06-21-2022 10:52 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Describe a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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