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Message 685 of 895 (895225)
06-15-2022 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 682 by Dredge
06-15-2022 9:39 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
"the gates of hell will not prevail against" it (Matt 16:18-19).
Oh, is that in the bible? Then it's rubbish as far as reality goes.
Your church's history of evil, pain, blood, and more evil has convinced a majority of this planet's people that the Gates Of Hell guard over your church.

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Message 692 of 895 (895258)
06-18-2022 6:27 PM
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06-18-2022 5:03 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Paradoxically, most of Satan's servants on earth don't even believe he exists.
Paradoxically, most of the people on this planet don't believe that any of your other gods exist either. Not your jesus, your mary, your yahweh, or your elohim . Since your gods are known fiction then, by extension, any story and supporting cast is also known fiction. Your boogeyman satan scares no one but the stupid.
As for knowing what reality is, you would know, being the Master of All Reality.
That's right buckaroo. When physics speaks even your gods cannot resist my commands.

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Message 711 of 895 (895478)
07-02-2022 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 710 by Phat
07-02-2022 2:56 PM


Re: Giving It ALL up to Whom?
The issue is how much they have a right to. ALL of it?
If that's what we decide.
The 16th Amendment declared that all income generated in the USofA (not net worth but annual income) is the property of the people and each year the people, acting through our representative form of government - the congress - tells you how much of our common income that you generated we will allow you to keep.
Right now I would guess an effective rate of about 11-15% of your our income is what we take leaving you the rest.
If we the people decide through our elected officials to keep 15-20%, or maybe 55-60%, of the common income that you generate, are you going to say no? Based on what? Based on the right to an income you don't own?
And your employer? Will they say no on your behalf and not allow that amount of withholding from your check? Probably not.
You don't own your labor. Officially, legally, society does.
Ok, I lied. Your labor, you own. The income from that labor, however, no, not so much. In fact, not any.

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Message 729 of 895 (897058)
08-29-2022 1:49 AM


Something Positive
World news is not friendly these days and many, like me, are experiencing the existential dread that humanity seems to be ignoring.
Cheer up!
Also seems apropos to other threads.

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Message 740 of 895 (897153)
08-29-2022 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by Phat
08-29-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Something Positive
OK so we can agree that there is no evidence. Now what?
Now you stop claiming that your god is real and affects this universe in any way.

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Message 748 of 895 (897413)
09-04-2022 10:44 PM


William Lane Craig Revealed?
We’ve heard this name a few times in various discussions around these parts. William Lane Craig is a popular religious nutcase always proposing elaborate schemes to justify Christianity as the only game in town. Phat is a fan, cites his stuff now and then. Others have used his words, his illogical sillygisms, as proof they need to rule the world. Quite popular with the Christians because, though his schtick is logically stupid, he presents it so well.
Well, turns out there are PHILISOPHICAL sins to be admitted by the great apologist. Surprising admissions of acceptance of his pascal's wager conversion as a teen sans any thought basis other than he was impressed by the message. Lots of philosophical heavy work in that one. And he wants to lower the bar more.
Have to wonder if he recognizes he has admitted the emotional base from which his religion springs without any efficacy. His religion is purely emotional and nothing more. No still small voices, no epiphany. Just a scary story and pascal’s wager.
And he wants to lower the bar of efficacy, the level of feeble excuse and smoke and mirrors at which he wants people to believe, even further.

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Message 750 of 895 (897448)
09-05-2022 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 749 by Phat
09-05-2022 3:17 PM


William Lane Craig, The Profit.
The point you miss, Phat, is that for all these years of lectures and books, attempted proofs, (il)logical sillygisms for decades was all a sham. He has admitted that his religious views were purely emotional from the outset as he sees intellect having no part in what GDR might call "choosing a faith".
The first religious story he heard and, without any thought, he swallowed the obligatory hook, line, sinker. He may be a believer but he's been faking his story ever since. He has such a great presentation and personality and the show worked out for him with money, women, fame.
Ok, so maybe, like Joel Osteen, Ray Comfort, others he's not so dumb. Just another corrupt charlatan fleecing his flock.
Now, he's on to the schtick that if he can dumb down the intellectual requirements for belief, indeed eliminate them, the more, and easier, flock he'll have to fleece.
He's been lying to you, Phat. Everything he has presented has not been for some higher purpose, but clumsily crafted for his traveling medicine show.
You are mad at all religious minds and souls.
Not so much mad as exceptionally disappointed. Increasingly intolerant. The human species was supposed to be better than this by now but shitheads like Craig keep poisoning the human mind. And not for god but for profit.

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Message 773 of 895 (897675)
09-09-2022 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by Phat
09-09-2022 8:03 PM


Re: How I feel about religion
Well with shapiro being a dishonest debater and human asshole that makes her right.

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Message 776 of 895 (897683)
09-09-2022 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 774 by Phat
09-09-2022 8:36 PM


Re: How I feel about religion
And recently. Such nonsense in a national debate.
There is more, if you care to look. He's a well known nutjob. You can't miss it.
Somehow, Phat, I'm not surprised you like this gabby crazy showman.
Ben Shapiro criticised for denouncing ‘lesbians on the moon’ as reason for Artemis 1 launch delays

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Message 789 of 895 (897756)
09-11-2022 6:25 AM
Reply to: Message 788 by ringo
09-10-2022 10:14 PM


Re: Politics and Secular Emotionalism
The difference is that humanists have to get it from reality instead of from some spook.
Pedantics are everywhere.
In fact it is the priests that keep the spook’s temple, enlightened in his presence, that speak in his spirit to issue his laws. The spook himself never seems to come right out into the daylight to deliver his own missives. Maybe some quantum thing between photons and spook particles interferes. Shades of vampire.

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Message 791 of 895 (897765)
09-11-2022 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 790 by Phat
09-11-2022 8:03 AM


Re: Politics and Secular Emotionalism
I learned specifically what pedantic means ...
Glad to help with your vocabulary.
Do realize I was labeling myself as pedantic since I tried to dig a rabbit hole into Tangles' spook.
... yet never mention the other spirits that seduce, lie, and beguile humanity.
What other spirits? I thought there was only christian so therefore there can only be christian demons which means they all emanate from the same evil, ugly, piece of shit source known as the holy spirit which, to blaspheme the holy spirit, is the one unforgivable sin in all of Christendom. So don't say bad things about the evil, god damned, shit concept, the holy spirit.
Anyway, you haven't all gone and accepted other god's demons, have you? You trying to covert Aeshma - Wikipedia? Haven't you got enough demons on your own you gotta go recruit more from Iran?

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Message 808 of 895 (897953)
09-16-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Phat
09-12-2022 1:28 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
I steered more towards belief at any cost.
"steered" past tense.
So this has changed and you now accept, endorse and practice falsification, critical thinking, and data?
Yes, would be a good answer.

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Message 810 of 895 (897957)
09-16-2022 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 809 by Phat
09-16-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
When I see how much you hate the very idea of an authority figure, I conclude that we need one.
I hate ANY version of a supernatural majikal sky monster you insist we all worship.
That has nothing to do with any authority figure but has to do with an evil figure.

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Message 812 of 895 (898055)
09-18-2022 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by Phat
09-18-2022 9:09 AM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
What if, on the other hand, it was a superior race of aliens?
WTF you talking about? What if what was a superior race of aliens?
what would be their intent? Consuming humans? Taking over authoritatively despite our pleas and warnings?
Are you having a stroke?
Assuming they demonstrated power beyond our capabilities, would they de-facto be classified as evil if we could not reason with them?
What?
If it does evil it is evil. Your god does evil. It is evil. If superior aliens do evil then they are evil and we will classify them so.
No brainer.
So, what's the point, Phat?

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Message 814 of 895 (898059)
09-18-2022 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 813 by Phat
09-18-2022 9:49 AM


Re: Hatred Of Thinking?
You are the one who insisted that any "Being" from the sky that was majical was evil.
Wow. Reading comprehension, Phat.
Try re-reading that post again. Message 810
First off, I would submit that you dont know "my god".
Not in specifics, like what's its eye color or the cologne it favors, but the fact you assign it the status of god is enough. It's evil.
Note that you admit that the hypothetical aliens are superior.
What shit? I did no such thing.
What if they ... What if they ...
What if your what if's are BS and I don't care?

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