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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That's exactly what He said, "Sell what you have and give to the poor." That's exactly what His disciples did. Not *everyone that He knew did this. Mary and Martha didn't. The Roman Centurion didn't.
YOU keep claiming that I want the government to seize everything you have, despite me telling you repeatedly that it's supposed to be VOLUNTARY. Exactly! Voluntary. The disciples did it as did the widow and the followers in Acts. BFD. EVERYONE that He spoke to didn't do it.
Phat writes:
So what does this mean today?rngo writes: So why is it necessary to become totally broke? The same as it meant 2000 years ago. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The only interpretation is that you don't believe in him either. Not true. I believe that He wants me to be a cheerful giver and not begrudging or of necessity. The "certain" rich young ruler was aware that he lacked something. I do not feel that way."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The difference is that you planned for your retirement. I didnt.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Phat writes: I believe that He wants me to be a cheerful giver and not begrudging or of necessity. You believe only what suits you. But you can't deny his words.(Actually you DO deny his words, that's why you don't actually believe in him.) The "certain" rich young ruler was aware that he lacked something. I do not feel that way You can rationalise all you want, that's not your Jesus's teaching is it?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
So why is it necessary to become totally broke? Phat, please. You have been told why. That's what your god said to do. Those were specific instructions. You know this. If you're looking for a deeper "why" then you're going to have to ask him. It's bullshit, of course. You know it. I know it. So why do put up the facade? You are not christian® TM © . That's ok. No one is. I still have some rookie cards for atheists. Would you like one?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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ringo writes:
When did Jesus tell his followers to live in the commune described in Acts 4:34-35? The early church did exactly as Jesus said: Acts 4:34-35 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. How did you get from ...Jesus telling the rich young to give away all his wealth to the poor TO Jesus (allegedly) telling all his followers to live in a socialist commune? You seem to be conflating two different and separate matters.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Good luck getting rid of the Catholic Church. Jesus promised that it will never be destroyed; that "the gates of hell will not prevail against" it (Matt 16:18-19).
The infallible declarations of your pope add to the mountain of abuse humans suffer under your cult. This is one of the reasons humanity must be rid of you.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
How ironic ... the only people who listen to your idiotic interpretation of the Bible are your fellow atheists.
That's what your god said to do. Those were specific instructions.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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How ironic ... the only people who listen to your idiotic interpretation of the Bible are your fellow atheists. Hell, atheists know we can't influence you. You don't even listen to your own god.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
"the gates of hell will not prevail against" it (Matt 16:18-19). Oh, is that in the bible? Then it's rubbish as far as reality goes. Your church's history of evil, pain, blood, and more evil has convinced a majority of this planet's people that the Gates Of Hell guard over your church.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So... they weren't saved. *shrug* You can't negate what He said by pointing out people who didn't comply. Look at the ones who did.
Not *everyone that He knew did this. Mary and Martha didn't. The Roman Centurion didn't. Phat writes:
Voluntary - but a requirement for salvation. Jesus won't save anybody against their will.
Voluntary. Phat writes:
See above. EVERYONE that He spoke to didn't do it. The rich man asked, "What MUST I do to be saved?" and Jesus answered, "Sell what you have and give to the poor." It's a MUST if you want to be saved. Anybody who did not comply would not be saved.
Phat writes:
Ask Jesus. So why is it necessary to become totally broke?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
It doesn't mention when He told them. It also doesn't mention His shoe size or His favorite pizza topping. When did Jesus tell his followers to live in the commune described in Acts 4:34-35? The point is that THEY thought He told them. Why do you think you know better than the church in Acts?
Dredge writes:
Jesus told the rich man he MUST sell what he had and give to the poor. It was a requirement for salvation. How did you get from ...Jesus telling the rich young to give away all his wealth to the poor TO Jesus (allegedly) telling all his followers to live in a socialist commune? Why would there be different requirements for different people?
Dredge writes:
How is it possible to separate them? You seem to be conflating two different and separate matters."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
It is ironic isn't it? The people who refuse to follow Jesus' explicit instructions - and call His instructions "idiotic" - call themselves "Christians". How ironic ... the only people who listen to your idiotic interpretation of the Bible are your fellow atheists."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
When did Jesus tell his followers to live in the commune described in Acts 4:34-35?ringo writes:
In other words, you have zero evidence that Jesus said all his followers must live in socialist communes. Therefore your claim is baseless.
It doesn't mention when He told them.
It also doesn't mention His shoe size or His favorite pizza topping.
A devastating argument, to be sure.
The point is that THEY thought He told them.
The Holy Spirit told them (after the day of Pentecost), not Jesus.
Dredge writes:
How did you get from ...Jesus telling the rich young to give away all his wealth to the poor TO Jesus (allegedly) telling all his followers to live in a socialist commune? ringo writes:
Jesus instructed the rich man to give away his wealth to the "poor" ... which has got nothing whatsoever to do with donating all his wealth to, and then living in, a socialist commune.
Jesus told the rich man he MUST sell what he had and give to the poor. It was a requirement for salvation.
It was a requirement for the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem at that time, not for all Christians. There is no evidence that Gentile Christians were commanded to live that way, let alone told that it is necessary for salvation.
Why would there be different requirements for different people?
I don't know.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Paradoxically, most of Satan's servants on earth don't even believe he exists. "the gates of hell will not prevail against" it (Matt 16:18-19). Oh, is that in the bible? Then it's rubbish as far as reality goes. As for knowing what reality is, you would know, being the Omniscient Master of All Reality.Edited by Dredge, .
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