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Phat
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Message 530 of 995 (893160)
03-29-2022 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by AZPaul3
03-29-2022 3:53 PM


Re: ARe: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
After Russia promised to de-escalate!
As it happened: UK and US urge caution on Russian pledge to reduce attacks​​ - BBC News
quote:
The cabinet room of Vitaliy Kim, regional governor, was destroyed, too. He said he survived because he overslept.
Having gained Ukraine-wide popularity thanks to his viral videos that start from a phrase “Good morning, we are from Ukraine”, today he added: “Not so good after all.”
Note that Mykolaiv is a key shipbuilding hub. Im telling you Russia wants control of the sea and the resources.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 542 of 995 (893178)
03-30-2022 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by ringo
03-30-2022 3:34 PM


Re: ARe: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Don't be smart with me. I've known that Russia has sought warm water port access for over a hundred years. Do you and jar have anything of worth to say besides accusations?|
Russians may not change but the world is changing. I just want us to be careful about a one-world globalist government.
  • It won't be to our advantage! In fact, we will get stuck with a bill we cannot pay. Why else does the Federal Reserve keep kicking the can down the road?
  • The pesky nations will all want some sort of equality which we will be forced to pay for. And don't get cute telling me Jesus would be in favor of it. Jesus is likely fed up with the whole lot of us.
  • The bottom line is that a one-world government will likely end up as the culmination of evil.
    Everyone has been warned but fails to see it due to their hatred of right-wing authoritarians. Wake up.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 625 of 995 (893381)
    04-09-2022 12:28 PM
    Reply to: Message 621 by ringo
    04-08-2022 11:45 AM


    Re: What if Eleanor Roosevelt ...
    ringo writes:
    In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky.
    This is why most Christians would never give it all up. We are as human as you and the rest of the governments. Quit trying to preach us into a corner and expect us to do what you won't do.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 639 of 995 (893416)
    04-12-2022 2:42 AM
    Reply to: Message 638 by Tanypteryx
    04-11-2022 10:29 PM


    Re: Volodymyr Zelenskyy's full 60 Minutes interview in Ukrainian
    I totally agree. Volodymyr Zelenskyy is to be respected. He almost makes me want to have the guts (along with my country) to stand for freedom and against totalitarianism. I still have fears, but if that's what it takes, it is indeed a spiritual war as well as an actual one. We live in serious times.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 762 of 995 (894092)
    04-30-2022 2:23 PM
    Reply to: Message 761 by Tanypteryx
    04-30-2022 2:09 PM


    Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
    I have to wonder what percentage of their nuclear missiles and launchers are actually still functional?
    Even if it's only 10%, that's 400 Nukes. It likely would only take an exchange of around 10 per side to initiate a nuclear winter.
    I am soberly realistic regarding the future of humanity. And I am not as blindly idealistic as are some of you. It is far from only being the fault of the Republicans, for example. Humanity itself is fully culpable.
    Of course, men like Putin do represent evil incarnate. They care little for anything or anyone outside their own narrow and warped view of future existence.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 764 of 995 (894094)
    04-30-2022 4:02 PM
    Reply to: Message 763 by Omnivorous
    04-30-2022 3:28 PM


    Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
    Omni writes:
    I haven't been back long, but haven't seen any blind idealism about the future from anyone. What sort of thing did you mean?
    I meant its not as simple as the "good party" and the "bad party". The reason that there is a divide is that people think largely one way or the other.
    Omni writes:
    They (Republicans in general)do seem to over-achieve.
    First off, what have they achieved? If anything, neither side gets much done. They are too busy fighting each other over the office.
    Omni writes:
    We each bear our own moral burdens, and no one else's.
    How does that matter? Part of the sin is the pride of getting ourselves out of it rather than asking for help.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 771 of 995 (894106)
    05-01-2022 3:22 PM
    Reply to: Message 767 by Tanypteryx
    04-30-2022 4:17 PM


    Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
    [qs=Tanypteryx]Can you point to some examples?(of naive idealism)
    Yes. In general, the liberally progressive globalists want more people to have money--at the expense of the ultra rich. Though this is nobel in and of itself, it necessitates government control and dispersal of the money. IT BECOMES MANDATORY. This threatens freedom and private property rights.
    Mandatory taxation to fund mammoth projects that are marketed as helping the masses when they will end up raising taxes and forcing everyone to pay for them.
    It seems that Democrats want fiat money at unlimited amounts as needed.
    It also seems as if they want all money openly public and not hidden or private.
    The debts dont matter if everyone is responsible.
    I just realized that you forgot to even mention anything about "Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere", so enlighten us.
    All im saying is that they seem to think a limited nuclear exchange is possible. It will ruin everything.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 773 of 995 (894108)
    05-01-2022 3:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 772 by ringo
    05-01-2022 3:40 PM


    Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
    here was a limited nuclear exchange at the end of WW2. It didn't ruin everything.
    Dont be naive. First, it was no exchange. two bombs came from one side. Second, todays nukes are 10-100x more powerful.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 822 of 995 (895028)
    06-06-2022 9:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 821 by Percy
    06-06-2022 9:36 AM


    Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
    Percy writes:
    For instance most recently Putin said he'd bomb and shell more widely if longer-range missiles were sent to Ukraine. Are we taking this threat seriously?
    Russia has already started targeting equipment sent to help Ukraine.
    YahooNews writes:
    Russian missiles rocked Kyiv on Sunday, sending clouds of smoke wafting over the Ukrainian capital for the first time in more than a month.
    Ukraine said the strike hit a railway repair site; Moscow claimed it destroyed tanks sent by European countries.
    The attack comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that if the U.S. were to supply Ukraine with longer-ranged missiles and artillery, Russia would respond by striking new targets.
    Ukraine said Russia had carried out the strike on Kyiv using long-range missiles fired from bomber aircraft.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 827 of 995 (895066)
    06-07-2022 11:11 AM
    Reply to: Message 823 by ringo
    06-06-2022 12:17 PM


    Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
    I usually watch either BBC or Al Jazeera for s different perspective. CBS News is OK too.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 834 of 995 (895163)
    06-10-2022 5:29 AM
    Reply to: Message 832 by Tangle
    06-08-2022 1:22 PM


    Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
    tangle writes:
    There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about
    From day one i saw in Putins mind a giant global chess move to seize Ukraines resources. He could care less about the people. He is fighting a war of the future that none of us want... scramble for food.. And China will buy it.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 835 of 995 (895164)
    06-10-2022 8:48 AM
    Reply to: Message 832 by Tangle
    06-08-2022 1:22 PM


    Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
    tangle writes:
    There's some pieces of this jigsaw that we don't know about
    From day one i saw in Putins mind a giant global chess move to seize Ukraines resources. He could care less about the people. He is fighting a war of the future that none of us want... scramble for food.. And China will buy it.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 837 of 995 (895173)
    06-10-2022 6:14 PM
    Reply to: Message 836 by ringo
    06-10-2022 11:54 AM


    Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
    The past is the future. Remember the quote about those not remembering the mistakes
    Of the past being condemned to repeat history?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 849 of 995 (895631)
    07-09-2022 3:43 PM
    Reply to: Message 848 by Tangle
    07-09-2022 10:48 AM


    Re: The War Drags On
    I think it would be fair game for NATO to take them out via airpower. Russia cant match us in the skies.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 853 of 995 (895678)
    07-10-2022 2:20 PM
    Reply to: Message 852 by Percy
    07-10-2022 10:01 AM


    Re: The War Drags On
    I was implying that the air war would be limited to the hypothetical NATO Country being attacked.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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