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ringo
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Message 604 of 995 (893317)
04-04-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 598 by Percy
04-04-2022 8:51 AM


Re: maybe some help?
Percy writes:
I would ask the question of whether the Luftwaffe was under British attack during the blitz?
The line between attack and counterattack is fuzzy.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 621 of 995 (893367)
04-08-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 618 by Theodoric
04-07-2022 8:57 PM


Re: What if Eleanor Roosevelt ...
Theodoric writes:
Not responding decisively is not an option.
I'd say the opposite - not responding decisively is the only option. It's what our governments do.
"Support for Ukraine" is mostly lip-service. In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 624 of 995 (893376)
04-09-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 622 by Theodoric
04-08-2022 1:51 PM


Re: Opinion of a General
Theodoric writes:
Retired General Wesley Clark thinks we either face the devil now or face him later in a much worse situation.
That's what they said in 1936 and 1938. We wound up facing the devil from 1939 to 1945 (that's 1941 to 1945 to you).
But there was another string of devils lined up behind him.
General Wesley Clark writes:
Strengthening Ukraine — giving it the tools it needs to secure its own territory — must be the first order of business for the United States and our NATO allies.
But it won't be. We know that, don't we?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 627 of 995 (893386)
04-09-2022 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 625 by Phat
04-09-2022 12:28 PM


Re: What if Eleanor Roosevelt ...
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
In the end, Ukraine is not as important to us as our own security. We won't do anything risky.
This is why most Christians would never give it all up. We are as human as you and the rest of the governments.
You're not supposed to be. You're supposed to be separate from "the world". Your faith in God is supposed to raise you above the weaknesses of us heathens.
Otherwise, what's the point of Christianity? Just saving your own skin from your own God's wrath?
It's funny how you brag about your "changed life" when it suits you and also fall back on being "only human" when it suits you.
Phat writes:
Quit trying to preach us into a corner and expect us to do what you won't do.
You keep confusing me with Jesus. I just look like Him. I wasn't even born in a barn.
It was Jesus who told you to give everything up and follow Him. He didn't tell me because He doesn't exist.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 630 of 995 (893399)
04-10-2022 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by Percy
04-10-2022 9:04 AM


Re: Opinion of a General
Percy writes:
I've been likening recent events to those leading up to WWII for a month now, including about the appeasers.
I'm thinking that Putin's attack on Ukraine may be less like Hitler's attacks on Poland and France and more like Stalin's attack on Finland.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 637 of 995 (893412)
04-11-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 636 by Percy
04-11-2022 8:21 AM


Re: Opinion of a General
Percy writes:
They both seem like plays for more territory, influence, power and respect.
Hitler's aim was tangible: lebensraum. Putin's goal seems to be restoration of the glory of the Tsarist Empire. And his methodology is diminishing Russia's influence and respect.
Percy writes:
Wasn't Stalin's main concern about Finland its potential use as an enemy base of operations?
Putin claims the same thing. That may be a good thing, allowing him to pull back and save face by declaring "victory".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 725 of 995 (893988)
04-27-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by AZPaul3
04-27-2022 4:45 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
In a war? Really?
Our own media don't seem to have much of a clue what war is about either. They're constantly surprised that civilians are being killed. (And some of those civilians are women and children!)
And our Prime Minister, Trudeau Jr., calls it an "illegal war", as if Putin didn't get the proper permits.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 747 of 995 (894040)
04-29-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 744 by Omnivorous
04-29-2022 5:25 AM


Re: Lost
Omnivorous writes:
... the GOP's morphing of Putin into a savior of traditional masculinity....
And yet his weapon of choice is poison, traditionally a woman's weapon.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 757 of 995 (894087)
04-30-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 756 by Omnivorous
04-30-2022 10:49 AM


Re: "Don't get cocky, kid."
Omnivorous writes:
Declared U.S. goals in Ukraine include weakening the Russian military to inhibit future adventures. I expect that to succeed. There will be little left of Ukraine.
Ukraine is the sacrificial lamb that saves the rest of us.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 770 of 995 (894105)
05-01-2022 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by Phat
04-30-2022 4:02 PM


Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
Phat writes:
I meant its not as simple as the "good party" and the "bad party".
In your case it's more like the Silly Party and the Monster Raving Looney Party.
Phat writes:
Part of the sin is the pride of getting ourselves out of it rather than asking for help.
What about the sin of pride in thinking that you have your own private Sky-Buddy who will help you and nobody else? I'm particularly eager to see how He saves you from climate change and lets the rest of us fry.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 772 of 995 (894107)
05-01-2022 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by Phat
05-01-2022 3:22 PM


Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
Phat writes:
... the liberally progressive globalists want more people to have money....
You forget AGAIN that more people having more money means they are also paying more taxes - which means LESS taxes for you.
Phat writes:
All im saying is that they seem to think a limited nuclear exchange is possible. It will ruin everything.
There was a limited nuclear exchange at the end of WW2. It didn't ruin everything.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 781 of 995 (894117)
05-02-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 773 by Phat
05-01-2022 3:53 PM


Re: Nuclear Winter and Sobering realities of the fragility of the Biosphere
Phat writes:
First, it was no exchange.
It was asymmetrical - like when I exchange spare change for peace of mind.
If Putin was to pop a couple of nukes in Ukraine and Biden didn't retaliate, it would be asymmetrical.
Phat writes:
Second, todays nukes are 10-100x more powerful.
Not particularly relevant. A limited exchange would not necessarily "ruin everything".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 818 of 995 (894533)
05-19-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 817 by AZPaul3
05-18-2022 9:35 PM


Re: NATO (USofA) Moves In Sweden
AZPaul3 writes:
Putin has just been shown the finger ... wrapped in armor.
An iron curtain is descending around Putin.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 823 of 995 (895038)
06-06-2022 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 822 by Phat
06-06-2022 9:58 AM


Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
YahooNews writes
Can you get CBC news where you live? You should get your news from them instead of a bunch of yahoos.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 825 of 995 (895040)
06-06-2022 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 824 by AZPaul3
06-06-2022 12:35 PM


Re: How seriously are we taking what Putin says these days?
AZPaul3 writes:
Have you any comparisons to others? BBC World, PBS, BBC America, OAN?
I don't watch anything but Canadian broadcast news. I think the BBC would be okay.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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