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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You do realize that saying lies and exaggerated falsehoods in the same sentence is the same as saying lies and damned lies, right? It's just you trying to make it sound like you are providing more details to your post without actually providing more details. Duly noted. I was not trying to sound that way. I think my point is that the financial community seems to hang on the Fed's words as gospel and it ain't necessarily so. Frankly, I think they try to sway public opinion and perception as a tool unto itself."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
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jar writes: Never (according to you). But stop and think. How do you question and challenge and test those beliefs?Yes, I don't doubt that you believe you actually met God, yet you never explain how you determine that it is god and not a bad burrito or even more likely, Satan. And once again, the actual topic is " When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?" Do you ever plan on addressing the topic? Since 5-12-2020 the world has changed. We have our war in Ukraine. We have Vlad The Condemned threatening nuclear war. The facts show that even a limited exchange of such weapons would likely escalate. You know your history. Look at World War I and how a complex system of treaties and promises pulled the nations into an eventual semi-global conflict. And all because of some assassination. Does NATO have treaty obligations? Is Biden being a good leader by careless statements such as Biden’s Taiwan defense pledge inflames U.S.-China relations The Doom & Gloomers have their negative view also, but in this video at least, some good points are raised.
Partial Transcript:quote Even our very own anti-theist, AZPaul3, acknowledges that climate change is occurring far more rapidly than human attempts at mitigation and society is hopelessly behind the curve. You often say that "we will get the world that we want" but I highly doubt anybody wants this."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: You of course mention the CCoWI. The issue is that a very large percentage of our population both in the US and worldwide will not choose to do the work needed.Keep in mind that not all of them are Fox News Conservatives. The fact is that many Christians, Jews, and Muslims contribute vast amounts of money to causes that they feel are worthy. Granted, so do Atheists. In regards to climate change and the work required to mitigate it, I believe that we all have failed so far...not just the religious folk. Only this year did the state even start charging for the use of plastic bags! It really is slow to catch on. Apart from recycling and increased use of electric vehicles, the only other priority which you might have mentioned before is political involvement and you know that society never has had a consensus on that. I mentioned Biden's recent Taiwan Gaffe and heard no response from any Democrats. Had Trump said something stupid like that the forum would be full of responses. So in regards to what we (you) want, just what type of leader do we want/need? In Apologetic Christian mythos, the anti-christ gives the people what they want and they don't catch on until it's too late! But all politics aside... I have often spoken of the inflation and devaluation of the US Dollar and Western money. You guys seem to think I have no clue, but I think it is you who will see the problem soon.BRIC (Brazil, Russia, China, India) are pulling away from the US Dollar and the Fiat Money system is being challenged. Part of the problem in my opinion is that many of the citizens see no problem printing more money when it goes to worthy causes and not simply to line Oligarchs' pockets. Finally, we have ringo. He expects that problems will get solved once the Christians sell all that they have and feed, clothe, and comfort the masses. With inflation increasing and the net worth of US citizens declining in real purchasing power, I see little expectation that we will do anything more than get desperate to preserve our vanishing ways of life. And if anyone is going to give up more resources...either through taxation or moral charge, EVERYONE has to do it...not just the church folk."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: For the umpteenth time, there is no evidence possible for either God or prophecies until they have been fulfilled. Your problem initially was in ditching the entire concept of belief. I suspect you did it partially because you saw no evidence that believers were willing to go all the way. Jar and his church at the time once built a house for a Pastor who later sold it and left the flock hanging, so I sense that he may feel similar to you on the matter of belief being (empty).
I have said many times that I will accept any evidence that backs up your beliefs. ringo writes: Do you see truth being manifested through secular humanism? I don't.
All religion is a watered-down version of the truth - if there is any truth in them at all. Phat writes:
You would claim that the truth is found in evidence. I would challenge that and say that the truth is only found in humans and their inner motives and desires.ringo writes: See what I mean?
What a load of rubbish. ringo writes: I'll call you out on this one. What scriptures have I misused recently?
You don't do ANYTHING to support apologetic precepts. You use apologetic precepts to deny the Bible. Phat writes:
... so you can't say anything about me not doing what Jesus says to do either.ringo writes: Nonsense. I have only questioned the idea that a true Christian (and only them) should give up all that they have. Nobody has that much faith these days, early Apostles and widows with two mites notwithstanding.
I haven't said any such thing. I've said that you flat-out DENY what He said. You SCOFF at what He said. ringo writes: I think that you will see it soon enough. Likely, however, you guys will again blame the CCoWI for bringing it all about. As if you are not equally responsible.
Lack of truth is the default. Nothing is true until shown to be true. ringo writes: ONLY because I won't give *It All* up! I'm not greedy, ya know. I could be more generous but I'm an old man trying to save enough to retire. I would NOT wish to be homeless nor would I want to be sick with no health care. I'm simply pointing out that YOUR position has no substance. Am I so different from you?
ringo writes: Jesus is the one who initially said it. There are many purposes for lies, some good, some bad, but that has nothing to do with people "being" the truth.John 14:6 ESV writes:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.ringo writes: OK. We will go with your definition of who Jesus was and is.
Why don't you just SAY he's honest? ringo writes: Again, I believe that He was and Is infallible. (Not Francis...Jesus!)
Why else would you refuse to question your conclusions except that you think you're infallible? ringo writes: Both you and I know there is no way to measure the supernatural...yet.
Science has all kinds of ability to measure anything you can think of. If you come up with some method of measuring the supernatural, science will be glad to give it a try. ringo writes: Actually you have a point. I would believe that if God wanted to be understood, He would impress that truth on those who had ears to hear.
Even IF your God was infallible, you would also have to believe that you could infallibly understand Him. ringo writes: True. Some of us are unknowingly and/or consciously in denial. Pot meet Kettle.
You are wilfully in denial but that doesn't mean all of us are. ringo writes: I have. I evaluated the logic and reasonableness of giving every materialistic thing up and rejected it because I did not have the faith of a Raven. The question is WHY would you ignore the message? Doesn't it make more sense to evaluate the message?What's your excuse? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The dollar became a coequal substitute for Gold in 1944 due to Bretton Woods and the aberration. Nixon unlinked it in 1970 to "defend the dollar against the speculators". The dollar went up and Gold, after also going up, became suppressed (in my opinion to defend the dollar and discourage metals speculation.) What the Fed and the world seem to need to learn again is that humans cannot simply will the value of money through common agreement.
In today's world of banking, it is still the gold that directly or indirectly sets the bar for the value of the dollar...not the other way around. You will see this soon enough."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: What makes you think they have come and gone? And ignoring the Christian apologetics for a moment, how can you picture us surviving climate change without more wars and pestilences? You know the facts. We are hopelessly behind the curve. Add a growing global population, scarcity of resources(such as water), and the prediction that global economies will likely have a depression right when the money needs to be spent. OK, so the end-times have already come and gone. So what's all the noise about?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat, to ringo writes:
What scriptures have I misused recently?ringo writes: Genesis 2. You call the truth a lie and the lie truth. No. I call your (and) jars interpretation of the truth a lie. God does not lie. (There would be no reason to do so) And there is no truth in the devil, according to scripture.
ringo writes: Secular humanism is neither good nor evil. It is simply mans attempt to ignore the "God concept" and figure life out on our own. How is that working for us? Besides....God wants Communion with humanity. He is not OK with us simply being indifferent due to "lack of evidence". And by the way, who told tou that unbelief is a default option? I do see it in scripture.
Because those goddamn lying apologists have convinced you that "secular humanist" is a dirty word. Romans 3:10-18 ESV writes: as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive. The venom of asps is under their lips.” 14 “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 in their paths are ruin and misery, 17 and the way of peace they have not known.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” You and jar both mention Genesis 2. That view is very much a minority viewpoint. Yet you say it every darn time we interact."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: Whether we're actually capable of fully shrugging off the superstitious nonsense that's still holding back most of the world AND saving ourselves from the animal behaviors we inherit from our recent history as descended apes, is still in the balance. One man's superstitious nonsense is another man's recipe for sanity. For one thing, most who call themselves churchgoers and members of the club are not at the level where they see prayer as anything more than a group ritual. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Attempting to go to a gold standard would be an attempt to set the value through common agreement. Somehow, you are blind to that. No. The value of the dollar sets the price of Gold (for now) but the value (in dollars) of the Gold only reflects the worth of the dollar. In my opinion, humans attempted to use the dollar to replace Gold (as an international barometer) but in my opinion, will soon see that as futile.
I do not see any evidence supporting this.
So answer me this. If the purchasing power of the dollar dropped (as it always has in relative terms) less Gold would be required to back the central Banks in the event of a fiat currency collapse. Do you not see how Gold will always invisibly "back" fiat currencies even if decoupled from them. Well maybe not always...but in the foreseeable future. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Maybe you wouldn't mind at all if currency became digital and everyone (rich and poor) was forced to pay their fair share for the common good. Nobody could hoard anything then.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Quora writes: World GDP, which is around $73 trillion[1], is just the income generated every year by all the economies of the world combined. However, the question asks about the distribution of wealth - and wealth and income are two different concepts. Wealth is stock, while income is the flow adding to that stock. In simple terms, wealth is the total productive assets in the world reduced by the total liabilities of the world. Now, the total assets in the world can be clubbed in two broad categories: Assets like patents, buildings, machines, gold etc which you own with you or put to use to earn moneyAssets like bonds, debentures etc which are monies lent out to others What’s a cool but obvious thing about no. 2 kind of assets? These are the liabilities for someone else - your liability is my asset and they cancel each other out. So what’s left? Real assets as in no. 1 assets - gold mines, patents, anything which can generate income. Now, true equality would mean equal ownership of these assets! But how do we measure the value of these assets? According to research done by Credit-Suisse, this number stands at ~$250 trillion today, which is distributed like this: Therefore, assuming the population of the world to be around 7.4 billion, if all the wealth were to be distributed equally, each one of us would be worth $34,000. You think that’s not too much huh? Nearly 75% of the world earns below that today. Except not most of us here at EvC."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It looks as if Pestilence came first.(Pandemic)
War looks to be second. Famine might be third. But what do I know? I don't read that stuff much lately. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
They become more newsworthy when 1st world Western nations begin to experience them. Now I know you all think I'm daft on my financial apologetic predictions, so I will publically state what I believe is 85% certain to happen in at least some measure. Take notes and we can recheck them in 18 months.
For those invested in stocks, the ride is over. Tech stocks are no longer the darling. Hard asset commodities (oil, steel, copper, precious metals) are the wave of counter-cyclical investing. The bill is finally getting paid and the strategy is to repay it in inflated dollars. The US middle class is and will be the primary victim. The world will go on...its not going to end yet, but human nature will become increasingly desperate for the good times of yore. Enter another Republican Populist (hopefully not Trump again) who will reverse the policies which the Democrats reversed from Trump, who attempted to reverse Obama...etc etc. Never a consensus in US politics thus nothing substantial ever gets done. But we all will be feeling financial pain if we don't prepare now to at least survive. (and yes, Percy I am watching my diet) The Federal Reserve was WRONG. The educated economist minds had no clue of the big picture. The US will soon realize that the party is ending. Let us hope we at least fix our roads and bridges first. And stay out of the world's business unless it directly affects us!!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZ writes:
Why stop it? After all, Tanypteryx sees it as the Human Experience. I'm waiting to see the human solution. I predict we all won't agree on that just as we don't agree on much in politics. So when is that old hippie supposed to show up and stop it all? If the hippie shows up, He may just fold His arms and remark that since few if any progressives even believed that He existed, they are required to fix it themselves.And He won't care if everyone gets mad at Him for doing nothing. After all, we did nothing for hundreds of years. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZ writes: Nobody that I know is chasing any apocalypse. Society is not doing a very good job of preparing for an ever-increasingly complex future, however. You seem to lump Christians and Conservatives together and blame *them* (the other side) for the majority of the problems. How is that working out for you? Do you know how stupid you guys look chasing the apocalypse every few years? You have already stated that the statistics show that climate change will eventually end the society we now have. And you have decided that if Jesus actually exists He will get much of the blame. How would that hypothetically work out? I suppose you could hide in a cave and take some magic mushrooms! Edited by Phat, : "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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