Anti-theist

You should keep that fact utmost in your mind as you venture into these discussions.

Sounds more like the janitor than the head.

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"the pope when he speaks ex cathedra is preserved from the possibility of error on doctrine "initially given to the apostolic Church and handed down in Scripture and tradition". Wikipedia

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Doctrines are generally designed to be unassailable, even if they're nonsensical. The doctrine is a dogma after all.In any case, it seems like an odd choice to give a serial denier the keys to the cookie jar. But then Jesus was not infallible, was He? He could easily make a fallible decision about infallibility. Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21, Luke 18:22. Very good. Why did He kill them?

The greatest among you will be a servant...maybe he WAS the Janitor.

Naturally the community of the church founded by Peter would write an account establishing their church as the one true church ordained by God. The accounts written by other communities say no such thing. That you cite one book of the Bible while ignoring the silence of all the rest is telling. You're in essence saying, "You're as hateful as me," in response to AZPaul3 effectively making the point that yours is a Paulene church. You agree to the hate but ignore the main point.--Percy

Jar's reply wasn't specific, but I think he means Matthew 24 where Jesus relates many prophecies and then says:

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Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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--Percy

CS Lewis reckons it's the most embarrassing verse in the bible. Then he goes on to hand wave it away.“Say what you like,” we shall be told, “the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else.”It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.The most embarrassing verse in the Bible

I most certainly will keep that fact in mind.The more of your posts I read, the more I'm convinced you're some kind of man-god or god-man. Have you ever thought of starting your own cult?

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Not "a" servant, YOUR servant:

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Matthew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

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And it does on:

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Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

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Watch the Pope humble himself.And it still goes on:

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Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

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14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

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15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

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16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

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Woe unto you exclusivists who shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.

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You betcha! All the other cults I joined turned out to be duds, but I've got a real good feeling about you. You're bloody awesome! Yes and yes! But I want to give you more than $1000 ... is that okay? The good news just keeps coming! Wow, this sounds too good to be true!If I pay for my friend, can he join also? He's even dumber than I am, so he could really use your super-human wisdom, knowledge and guidance.

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Simply from a practical point of view your interptetation of those verses makes no sense. For example, where would Christians live if they gave up all their possessions? How could they pay the rent?
A Christian can't own even a frypan or a knife and fork?
A Christian can't own a radio or a phone or a bicycle or a car?
Can a Christian own a towel? What about a pencil?
How would Christians be able to raise children if the parents give away all their possessions?
A Christian can't own a business? In Matt 19:21, Jesus says "If you would be perfect, sell what you possess and give it the poor". So Jesus is in effect saying "ideally, this is what you should do", because that particular man he was speaking to had a particular problem - he loved money more than he loved God (it is also an allusion to the vow of poverty that all Catholic priests will take later on in the history of the Church). In the following verses Jesus talks about how the love of money is a danger to salvation.In the parallel passage in Mark, Jesus warns those "who trust in riches" - ie, those who make money their god.To interpret Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21, Luke 18:22 as "Jesus says all his followers must give away all their possessions and live in poverty" is a stupid and incorrect exergesis.

There's a bit more to it than that. Tell me, if the Pope goes out and rob banks and rapes altar-boys and becomes a serial killer, does that mean he has contradicted the Catholic dogma of Papal Infallibility?

If the Pope goes out and robs banks and rapes altar-boys and becomes a serial killer then he is just being a catholic pope; the usual covetous overlord of the masses.Papal Infallibility does not cover your High Priest’s physical actions but only his pronouncements on dogma.Now if your infallible high priest were to declare that fiddling altar-boys is a sanctified holy rite reserved to ordained clergy then that would be an infallible pronouncement of doctrine not open to question by any mortal spirit.I'm surprised your pope hasn't tried that as a way out of this sex-scandal mess.

It isn't an "interpretation". It's word-for-word what Jesus said. 1. It was Jesus who said it, so ask Him. Do you think He was an idiot, expecting his followers to do the impossible?2. The disciples did exactly what Jesus said. They relied on Him to provide food and a place to sleep.3. The early church did exactly as Jesus said: Acts 4:34-35 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Every Christian doesn't need his own frypan. He can donate it to the communal kitchen where everybody can use it. Cummunal living-room. Communal transport pool. See above - and use your head. That question is especially egregiously silly. Does every parent own their own school? A Cristian community can own a business. Well, no. Jesus was answering the direct question, "Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?" It was a requirement for eternal life. So does Phat. So do you, it appears. it's a pretty common problem. Exactly. So you know better than the early church? It's what they did. Ananias and Sapphira were killed for not doing it.