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Dredge
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Message 136 of 1429 (894899)
06-01-2022 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Tanypteryx
05-31-2022 10:17 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You claim to know how evolution works, so please describe the process involved in the evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circulation heart, including the steps involved how natural selection and what environmental pressures produced those steps.
I look forward to a demonstration of your knowledge of evolution.
Many thanks.

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Dredge
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Message 137 of 1429 (894900)
06-01-2022 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Tanypteryx
05-31-2022 10:17 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
You didn't "mention" any specific species transitions and you have been told, repeatedly, that there is no such process as macroevolution ...
No, because the process involved in evolutionary transition in the fossil record is microevolution.
In other words, I can safely assume that, despite your claim to know how evolution works, you cannot describe the process involved in any of the evolutionary transitions I mentioned in Message #108:
"please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
Please describe how birds evolved from reptiles. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps.
Please describe how amphibians evolved from fish. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps."

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Tanypteryx
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Message 138 of 1429 (894901)
06-01-2022 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Dredge
06-01-2022 9:53 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
so please describe the process involved in the evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circulation heart, including the steps involved how natural selection and what environmental pressures produced those steps.
Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat.
You already know this.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 139 of 1429 (894902)
06-01-2022 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dredge
06-01-2022 10:09 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
"please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
​
Please describe how birds evolved from reptiles. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps.
​
Please describe how amphibians evolved from fish. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps."
Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat.
​
You already know this.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 140 of 1429 (894903)
06-01-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Dredge
06-01-2022 9:53 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
You claim to know how evolution works, so please describe the process involved in the evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circulation heart, including the steps involved how natural selection and what environmental pressures produced those steps.
You keep asking the same question, and we keep providing you the answer. The answer is not going to change, yet you keep asking your question without giving any indication that you understand the answer.
Unlike most here, I don't believe you're really this dumb. I think it's more that you don't mind making dumb arguments and arguing ignorantly as long as, in your mind, you're advocating for your religious beliefs.
Yes, we know how evolution works. Evolution happens with every reproductive event, i.e., every division for single-celled organisms, every birth for sexual species, every production of a spore for fungi and the like. You can watch videos of haploid sex cells (sperm and egg in sexual species) forming, or of the chromosomes of sperm and egg coming together, or of bacteria (which are mostly haploid) dividing. This is where many mutations originate, the foundation of evolutionary change.
What we don't know is long ago events for which no evidence survives. But if some evidence survives from a long ago event then we can figure things out to a degree dependent upon the nature and amount of that evidence.
But please stop posting messages that in essence say, "If you can be this dumb then you too can be Catholic."
--Percy

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ringo
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Message 141 of 1429 (894905)
06-01-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dredge
06-01-2022 10:09 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
See Message 120.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 142 of 1429 (894906)
06-01-2022 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dredge
06-01-2022 10:09 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge, can you please explain in complete and comprehensive detail how Mauna Loa, or any long extinct volcano formed. Describe the steps involved and how natural forces produced each of those steps including the placement of each and every piece of lava.
Can you please explain in complete and comprehensive detail how any or all of the Great Lakes formed. Describe the steps involved and how natural forces produced each of those steps including the placement of each and every shoreline feature.
Can you please explain in complete and comprehensive detail how the Great Pyramid of Giza was built including the cutting and placement of each and every stone. Describe all the steps involved and how the Egyptian social structure produced each of those steps.
If you are unable to provide every bit of detail (and proof of that detail) asked for, does that mean that we haven't the foggiest idea of how long extinct volcanoes, glacial lakes, or pyramids came to be?
Perhaps all these things are the workings of ancient aliens.

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Message 143 of 1429 (894907)
06-01-2022 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by AnswersInGenitals
06-01-2022 5:02 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Apparently the term I coined for candle2 also applies to Dredge: willfully stupid.

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Tangle
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Message 144 of 1429 (894908)
06-01-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by dwise1
06-01-2022 5:44 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Troll is more accurate. He's not stupid, he's just a twat.

Edited by Tangle, .


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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dwise1
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Message 145 of 1429 (894909)
06-01-2022 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Tangle
06-01-2022 5:48 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Agreed. While candle2 works zealously to make himself stupid and to keep himself stupid, Dredge is putting on an act. In order to be a troll.
Now how is that supposed to serve his church?

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Dredge
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Message 146 of 1429 (894933)
06-03-2022 7:59 AM
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06-01-2022 5:02 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Answersingenitals writes:
If you are unable to provide every bit of detail (and proof of that detail) asked for, does that mean that we haven't the foggiest idea of how long extinct volcanoes, glacial lakes, or pyramids came to be?
No.

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Dredge
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Message 147 of 1429 (894934)
06-03-2022 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by ringo
05-30-2022 12:47 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Your reply strongly suggests that you cannot describe the process involved in the evolution of novel body plans and organs, which in turn suggests you don't know how evolution works.

Edited by Dredge, .

Edited by Dredge, .


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Dredge
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Message 148 of 1429 (894935)
06-03-2022 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Tangle
06-01-2022 5:48 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tangle writes:
He's not stupid
I find your comment egregiously offensive and unwarranted - how dare you suggest that I'm "not stupid"!
Have I not repeatedly declared that my IQ is less than10 (9.8 to be exact) and that I have a fragile, eggshell mind?
How can anyone with an IQ of less than 10 not be stupid?

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Message 149 of 1429 (894937)
06-03-2022 8:30 AM
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06-03-2022 8:25 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
What you've done is effectively shown that evolution / atheism has very comparable faith, hope, unanswered questions etc as does Christianity. That's why they're so angry.

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Dredge
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Message 150 of 1429 (894938)
06-03-2022 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Percy
06-01-2022 11:17 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes:
But please stop posting messages that in essence say, "If you can be this dumb then you too can be Catholic."
Okay.

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