I Know That God Does Not Exist

Thank you so much for this truly beautiful story of human redemption. It has moved me to tears. Can you see them?Does the Catholic Church pass the "Matthew 7:20 Test"?

No. In fact almost no Christian (maybe absolutely none) can pass the Matt 20 test which is pointed out explicitly in Matt 25 where the followers of Jesus are judged as Goats while atheists and most non Abrahamic religions are judged as sheep.

Complete bullshit, of course. If the doctors at that Catholic hospital knew the fetus was dead, they would have had no ethical objection to removing it. ... a euphemism for a bunch of Loony Left atheists who typically hate the Catholic Church and love everything that is sleazy and unclean. We've got the same species of deceitful, left-wing trash down here in Australia.

See Schrödinger's cat.

How did you come up with this idiotic interpretation of Scripture? A Bible dunce has spoken ...

Hilarious.

Be more specific. What exactly is "idiotic" about the obvious interpretation?

Always a pleasure to share pearls of wisdom. I'll even cast them before swine (not referring to present company).I haven't had the opportunity to use this one yet, but if asked "Are you saved?" I can honestly answer "Yes. I stopped being a Christian over half a century ago and it's the best thing to have happened to me!" Of course not! No religion nor any other human endeavor could.That test "straight from Jesus' mouth" is actually unreasonable. A religion has to be absolutely perfect or else it's completely evil? That's impossible to live up to! Whoever put those words in Jesus' mouth hadn't thought it through.However, citing that test is very useful to get a religious fanatic to reflect on his own gross misbehavior. Not that any of them ever would self-reflect, but we must keep trying. For that matter, it's lost on most "true Christians" because it's from the Bible, a book that none of them have ever bothered to read.But I keep citing it in the hope that it might eventually get through to them. A pessimist must be the happiest person alive: 99.99% of the time he has the satisfaction of being right and occasionally he's pleasantly surprised.Though we do see so many fundies and other extreme Christian types using the Test's same extreme black/white lack of reasoning all the time.

So from your catholic apologetics the proper interpretation of that scripture would be what?

All I have to go by is my memory of what the caller had said. Maybe the fetus wasn't verifiably dead yet -- or maybe it wasn't even a fetus yet but still just an embryo -- , but there was definitely no way that the mother could survive and hence neither could the embryo/fetus.He also didn't state (nor probably knew) the reasons stated by the doctors for their refusal to act to save her life. It might have been nothing more than a strict hospital policy against any kind of abortion that they had to follow blindly. Christians are that way, you know, blindly obeying "God's Law" even when it will cost a life -- according to my rabbinic lit professor, Rabbi Kalir, Jewish morality holds that if obeying God's laws would result in the loss of a life, you must disobey God and save that life (because of that, I hold Jewish morality to be far superior to Christian "morality").The point of his story is that the Catholic hospital would have let her die. Regardless of whatever excuses they may have given. Though I seem to recall the caller saying that it was because the procedure would have technically been classified as an abortion. Well, reality does have a definite liberal bias.And it's a proven fact that religious fanaticism has caused far more than its share of suffering and death, something that "Loony Left atheists" oppose and try to work against.For example, now that access to safe abortions is being threatened in the USA, many state legislatures are busy passing laws banning abortion in all cases, including to safe the life of the mother. And they are writing those laws for religious reasons. Specifically for the purpose of their Christian beliefs (actually for the purpose of playing to their religious fanatic constituents).

By having actually read the Bible.You should try it some time. How so?The Matthew 7:20 clearly states that it is impossible for a good tree to being forth wicked fruit, but rather any wicked fruit is evidence of a wicked tree which should be cut down and thrown into the fire (Jesus' own words, according to Scripture).It doesn't matter how much good a religion does, because even a single wicked consequence of that religion defines that religion as wicked, erasing all the good that it may have ever done.It's right there in the Bible. Read it!

Are you saying that religious teachings are nothing but a joke?There may be hope for you yet.Read the Bible. That's what turned me and many others into atheists. It could help you too.

This happened in Ireland back in 2012, a Dr. died because the hospital wouldn't perform an abortion because the fetus had a heartbeat even though the pregnancy was killing her. Now in this case the fetus wasn't dead yet, but the refusal to consider the mother's life before the fetus is the insanity of religion on display. Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital

The problem is that far too many Christians willingly refuse to honestly read what is written in the various stories cataloged as 'The Bible we accept and all the other versions are wrong' and paradoxically use 2Timmy as the 'source'.Sola Scritura painted much of Christianity in a corner where they must deny and hand wave away much of what is actually written so that they can claim that what is written is authoritative and absolute.2Timmy and 2Petie are among the early indicators of the Apologist and Carny Barker. Whoever actually suggested that Jesus should ride into Jerusalem on an ass was their mentor and guide. When in doubt, put on a show and proclaim it fulfills a miracle.

Just to say this isn't a closely tied to religion in Ireland as I think it is in the US. Opposition to abortion is still pretty high amongst atheists in Ireland. When I was an undergrad the head of the anti-abortion league in my uni was an ardent atheist.