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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 616 of 895 (894752)
05-28-2022 8:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 615 by Percy
05-28-2022 8:43 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Whether you use religion, myth or cult, they all apply.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 617 of 895 (894753)
05-28-2022 9:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 615 by Percy
05-28-2022 8:43 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Only kinda sorta halfway agree. There really isn't some "Jesus myth™" just as there isn't some "Bible™". The interoffice memos are pretty much Pauline but even there everything evolves over time particularly as some of the absolute basics turn out to be false like the "End Times". But the unknown author or authors of John's Gospel also create yet an entirely different "Jesus myth". And then the politics and power struggles created yet more new versions so that by the time Christianity became a State Religion it was something likely unrecognizable to the earlier Jewish sect called Christians.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18300 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 618 of 895 (894760)
05-28-2022 2:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 617 by jar
05-28-2022 9:01 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
jar writes: everything evolves over time particularly as some of the absolute basics turn out to be false like the "End Times". How could anyone possibly know that the End Times are false until the "End" occurs? Humans will hopefully do everything in their power to prevent any "end" from occurring...though the jury is out on that one.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 619 of 895 (894766)
05-28-2022 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 618 by Phat
05-28-2022 2:59 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes: How could anyone possibly know that the End Times are false until the "End" occurs? Because Jesus told them when the End Times would come. And that time came and went without the End Time coming. And so the APOLOGIST had to handwave the failure of JESUS' prophecy away.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18300 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 620 of 895 (894769)
05-28-2022 3:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 619 by jar
05-28-2022 3:40 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
So in other words, you don't see Jesus as having any special foresight as to what's happening today. And you have said before that GOD if GOD exists likely wouldn't consider humans any more special than pond scum. (or ants. Or birds.)
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 621 of 895 (894771)
05-28-2022 4:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 620 by Phat
05-28-2022 3:58 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes: So in other words, you don't see Jesus as having any special foresight as to what's happening today. Phat, I'm simply reporting what is actually written in the Bible stories. In the stories Jesus told his disciples that the End Times would be during their lifetime. Time passed. All the first crop of disciples was dying off yet there was no End Times or signs of End Times. Jesus prophesy failed. That was a major crisis so the Apologists, particularly Paul, changed the narrative. Apologists ever since then have been handwaving all the failed prophecies away. They are still making a good living doing just that.
Phat writes: And you have said before that GOD if GOD exists likely wouldn't consider humans any more special than pond scum. (or ants. Or birds.) The God in Genesis one said that. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 622 of 895 (894776)
05-29-2022 9:54 AM
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Cooked Snake
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AnswersInGenitals
Member (Idle past 172 days) Posts: 673 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 623 of 895 (894788)
05-29-2022 7:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 622 by AZPaul3
05-29-2022 9:54 AM
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Re: Cooked Snake
AZPaul3 subtext writes: Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! I don't see Putin suffering any condemnation that worries him. I would label a Russia Brutocracy and Putin a Brutocrat.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 624 of 895 (894791)
05-29-2022 8:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 607 by AZPaul3
05-17-2022 11:17 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes: And I can do the same. Your bible shows quite clearly that Paul, not Peter, wrote out the instructions for the conduct of service and the philosophical underpinnings of his newly created religion. Yours is a Paulene church. Created in his image.
Jesus gave "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" to one man - Peter - thereby making Peter the head of the Church. (Matt 16:18-19)
Violent, hateful and pitifully inhumane. Catholic.
You sound pretty adept at the hate game yourself. Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 625 of 895 (894792)
05-29-2022 8:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 607 by AZPaul3
05-17-2022 11:17 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes: Do you really think your bible has any legitimacy at all? It doesn't.
Well, since you know all things, so you must right. Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 626 of 895 (894794)
05-29-2022 9:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 591 by ringo
05-15-2022 2:18 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
ringo writes: And yet Peter denied Jesus three times. How does that demonstrate infallibility?
The power of infallibility was not given to Peter until later - when the Holy Spirit descended on the disciples on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, which marked the official birth of the Church. Btw, what is your understanding of the Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility? I suspect you don't understand it because even if Peter denied Jesus in the same way after the day of Pentecost, that wouldn't contradict the doctrine.
But He didn't overturn the truths that He had explicitly told them - e.g. the instruction to give up everything they had.
When did Jesus give the instruction that all his followers must give up everything they have?
And you're claiming that the early churches, set up by the apostles themselves, were not faithful to the teachings of Christ? Who killed Ananias and Sapphira?
God killed Ananias and Sapphira. Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 627 of 895 (894795)
05-29-2022 9:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 621 by jar
05-28-2022 4:50 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
jar writes: Phat, I'm simply reporting what is actually written in the Bible stories. In the stories Jesus told his disciples that the End Times would be during their lifetime. Time passed. All the first crop of disciples was dying off yet there was no End Times or signs of End Times. Jesus prophesy failed.
Where is that prophesy of Jesus in the Bible?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 628 of 895 (894796)
05-29-2022 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 627 by Dredge
05-29-2022 9:19 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
I pointed that out above. Jesus was another apocalyptic messiah and said the end would come during the generation then alive. He was wrong. Thus it became necessary for the Apologists to try to make up a different scenario.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 629 of 895 (894802)
05-30-2022 2:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 624 by Dredge
05-29-2022 8:43 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Jesus gave "the keys of blah blah blah biblical bullshit blah blah" Message 614 Peter was a puppet, a poser. Paul did the heavy intellectual lifting and created the meaning behind the Jesus myth. It was Paul who put the catholic in your catholic church.
You sound pretty adept at the hate game yourself. Of all religions, yours has been the bloodiest most evil scourge of humanity ever conceived. Your history is one of excessive violence against both the body and the mind of man that spanned millennia. Ok, so some of the art was nice but is far outweighed by the screaming of the tortured echoing down the centuries. What is there in catholic or christian or religious that is not to hate?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 630 of 895 (894803)
05-30-2022 2:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 629 by AZPaul3
05-30-2022 2:03 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZP writes: What is there in catholic or christian or religious that is not to hate? Some find the licensed kiddy-fiddling attractive.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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