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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
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Message 523 of 794 (887846)
08-23-2021 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Phat
08-23-2021 2:32 AM


Re: Gods responsibility for everything and the judgement of such
So are you hypothetically suggesting that the only proper thing for a God to do is create a people who will all succeed?
No. I’m suggesting the only proper thing for a God to do is to appear in public, admit it’s a charlatan, a fake, a carnie, and then disintegrate back into the void never to torment us again. But since it doesn’t exist we have the commission to spread the word to all the world ourselves.
Let the word go forth unto the city and unto the mountain and unto the valley. Let all rejoice with the herald’s glade tidings and let all lift up their voices and celebrate saying, “Gods do not exist.” Therefore go and spread the knowledge to all nations, freeing their minds of the yolk of superstition baptizing them in the name of the science and of the facts and of the reality of the universe as we have come to know it. Rejoice, O Mankind, the age of reality has arrived.
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Message 532 of 794 (887891)
08-25-2021 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Phat
08-25-2021 2:31 AM


Re: Gods responsibility for everything and the judgement of such
But were I a betting man, I would wager that at some level you believe in some form of hocus pocus and Majik that humans have that is ok to embrace.
Don't make the bet. You would lose. I am just as I appear, just as I write.
Internet anonymity will bend peoples personalities, alter-egos, making themselves more to their liking than their reality. I suppose I'm no different. I can be more of an asshole.
But, I can't help but believe what it is I believe. Which, in actuality, is nothing.
I am a die-hard materialist and a critical student of history. The science rules in all places and in all things. It is my god, though it's a bit unresponsive to prayer and, unfortunately, can be considerably more mean and demanding, cruel and deadly, then any of the weak gods conjured by man.
I can certainly accept variable human abilities well above the norm, but no one exists outside the bell curve of reality, so, no, there can be no hocus pocus or Majik for humanity, except as the charlatans would fool you to believe.
Had we known each other 40 years ago, we may well have been in a park, high on LSD or Magic Mushrooms having these very same discussions.
Been there, done that. If we could arrange it, my man, I would buy the weed and the beer.
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Message 552 of 794 (887922)
08-25-2021 5:23 PM
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08-25-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Who are humans to define God's responsibilities, limits, and duties?
His creators. He has no choice but to do exactly what humans conjured him to do, omnipotence and all.
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Message 578 of 794 (887961)
08-27-2021 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by jar
08-27-2021 4:33 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
Stop it!
No, jar, please. Don’t ask him to stop.
This is too entertaining on a human level. This is one of THOSE human conversations with so many inputs. Those that reveal the deeper scars religion creates in the human psyche.
Don’t ask him to stop. You guys are one of my favorite examples of a poison that infects the human mind and a lot of its antidote.
I'll leave it to y'all to figure which is which.
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Message 648 of 794 (888074)
09-01-2021 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by nwr
09-01-2021 7:16 PM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
More problematic is Phat probably chose these sources because they reflect his set world view already. In order to find these guys he must have listened to many others as well. They just weren't telling him what he wanted to hear.

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Message 651 of 794 (888079)
09-02-2021 1:34 AM
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09-02-2021 1:16 AM


Re: Hypothetically Speaking
I studied a bunch of macro economics and what I remember was economists, the ones I remember anyway, love a steady low inflation and know it's dream. It's a goal across, some would say much too granular, periods of time.
But, down periods, modest and fleeting, some would even ask for often, are vital to reshaping, pruning, economies over time.
Or so the doctrine goes.
I have to wonder if these are still seen as valid in a global economic oligarchy.
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Message 676 of 794 (894564)
05-21-2022 3:47 PM
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05-21-2022 2:57 PM


Re: End Time Scenarios Are Possible
Humans should have learned by now...
What did you expect after 5000 years of religious zealotry having a lock on the human psyche? We are used to the religious answer being to kill everything we don't like.
We've only been doing this Enlightenment thing for 300+- years. There's a lot of broken minds in this species and will take many more generations to overcome.

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Message 694 of 794 (894636)
05-24-2022 4:10 PM
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05-24-2022 2:29 PM


Re: Steering Back Towaards The Topic
I mentioned Biden's recent Taiwan Gaffe and heard no response from any Democrats. Had Trump said something stupid like that the forum would be full of responses.
Ol' Joe's statements were not anything stupid. There was no gaffe.

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Message 697 of 794 (894639)
05-24-2022 6:04 PM
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05-24-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Steering Back Towaards The Topic
What the Fed and the world seem to need to learn again is that humans cannot simply will the value of money through common agreement.
Ehh, Phat? That's exactly the way it works. That common agreement is made on the trading floor of the exchanges on a second by second basis.
Regardless.
One probable future we can see from here is that you may be right. Just too short in the timeline.
The next three generations (remainder of the century) may not see any great social collapse. So say I the expert. That’s not scheduled to happen until the food riots envelope the world the generations later. Currency will be relegated to a remnant elite while the war lords and the serfs go back to bartering their lives with wheat, oil and gold. As our species goes through the grinder of time toward extinction we will pass through that stage of relations where gold, once again, becomes the world’s standard store of value.
So hold on to that gold, Phat. Someday it really may be worth something.

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Message 701 of 794 (894698)
05-27-2022 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 700 by Dredge
05-26-2022 9:58 PM


OK, so the end-times have already come and gone. So what's all the noise about?

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Message 704 of 794 (894703)
05-27-2022 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by Phat
05-27-2022 12:48 AM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
Read his post Phat.
He says the end times comes with the rebirth of Israel. That was 3 generations ago.
What this means, Phat, is that the end-times came and went for the intended generation and Jesus did not parade down the streets killing every third person he saw. God shot his end-times wad and missed.
Yes, climate change will kill humanity, all of it, with disasters too cruel for your book of revelations to fathom. But in this case the only god involved is us.

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Message 713 of 794 (894780)
05-29-2022 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 712 by Phat
05-29-2022 1:36 PM


Re: Maybe You Want To Share The Wealth
The vast wads of currency in this world are already digital.
If you're talking crypto then, well, that's as productive as NFTs. Foolish.
We do not have $100s of billions in actual bills. But many $100s of billions is wire transferred digitally every day.
Do you know how currency is created? It does not roll off a printing press. It is created by bank loans. Shocking. And that newly created currency is all digital.
Does this mean governments can get a hold of this stream to extract payments as it may want? Probably, but not easily given the elite's political control over the governments and the courts, and they haven't done so since digital took over. There is not much incentive to disrupt a system that works for elites and governments alike.
Now, if we get rid of the elites and their political puppets we can better equalize wealth over the world.
So digital currency, whether fiat or crypto, means nothing. What is important is the humanity behind the politics and, today this sucks.

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AZPaul3
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Message 716 of 794 (894783)
05-29-2022 4:03 PM
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05-29-2022 3:08 PM


Re: Maybe You Want To Share The Wealth
What does your Quora quote mean? What do you think it means? How does this impact your currency fears?
And, if I may, a source to this. I would like to see their "which is distributed like this:" list.

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Message 732 of 794 (894921)
06-02-2022 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 730 by Dredge
05-31-2022 9:30 AM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
You've misinterpreted what I said. Israel must be existence as a nation before the Second Coming can occur.
Ahh, so one sign in 2000 years. Slow process isn't it.
You trying to make this fit just in line with climate change? You may have it right.
It's going to be a while but, yes, the horsemen are brushing down their steeds preparing for war. Which one's first?

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Message 734 of 794 (894952)
06-03-2022 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 733 by ringo
06-03-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
Visions of Apocalypse Now - Ride of the Valkyries.

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