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Message 180 of 278 (894238)
05-07-2022 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Percy
05-07-2022 4:58 PM


Re: You're missing the real message
Percy, you make a good point. However, I do
read the replies.
Perhaps, it isn't fair, and I don't mean it that way.
But, you need to u/s that because someone hasn't
replied doesn't mean that they have dismissed
your side of the argument.
I am still involved with a good deal of stuff, and I
can't just ignore everything else.
Perhaps, I am wrong to post at all since I can't seem
to find the time required to address everyone.

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Message 187 of 278 (894248)
05-08-2022 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by nwr
05-07-2022 6:40 PM


Re: You're missing the real message
NWR, all books are written by humans, even the ones
that only make idiotic assumptions and guesses
about the source of life.
At least the authors of the Holy Bible received their
knowledge straight from the Creator.

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Message 189 of 278 (894250)
05-08-2022 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Percy
05-08-2022 8:22 AM


Re: You're missing the real message
Percy, I don't ignore what people say. However, there is
no need to reply to assumptions. I deal only in facts.
Never in recorded history has one kind of animal evolved
into another kind of animal--whether it was by punctuated
equilibrium, or slowly over eons.
I know that some kinds, because of isolation or mutations
lose the ability to procreate with others of the same kind,
but they are still of the same kind. They have never been
observed to become anything else.
True evolution would for example be a cat evolving into a
dog. You don't have this.
I give observable examples of how polystrata fossils
come to be. And, evolutionists reject the crystal clear
evidence in favors of how it might have happened.
The eruption at MSH led to the formation of numerous
levels of strata, over forty feet high, in just a matter of
days.
Years ago one could by these cubes at Walmart that
contained water and sand of different size and color.
one could shake the cube and mix up the sand. When
the sand was allowed to settle it always sorted the
sand by weight and size, just like the water in a global
flood did. Observable science.
A global flood is the best explanation of how great heaps
of fossils were deposited.
I am the only person here posting my side of the issue.
And, I do have some time to post here. However, it is
limited.
I will have the cataract removed from my other eye
tomorrow. It will take several days to heal. But, I will
address your statements after that. I will read all your
posts and reply to them. Trust me.

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Message 197 of 278 (894348)
05-13-2022 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by dwise1
05-09-2022 3:45 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Dwise, you keep saying that I have the concept of
evolution wrong. Regardless of how I state it you
and the other keep saying no; that is not how it
happened.
I want you to state step-by-step how it has unfolded
over the billions of years. I would also like for you to
list your absolute proofs. If you cannot provide proof,
please state that it an assumption.
You seem to be the most deceived among the
evolutionists on this board. However, I want to
know exactly how it came about, and how you
know for a fact that this is how it has played
out.
If you think it came about by theistic evolution,
please say so. If you think that life came about
by, for instance, chemical reactions, then you
also need to explain the evolution of chemicals.
There is no need for me to make assumptions
about how the evolutionists believe it came about.
Once I know I will stick to that guideline.
When you and the other evolutionists say that you
know for a fact that evolution is true, I then want
to ask:
Do you know all that there is to know about the universe?
Do you know 50% of all there is to know?
How about 25%, or 10%.
I think it is safe to say that humans know less than
1% of all there is to know about the universe.
Since we know so little, how can we possbly know
what happened 4.5 billion years ago, or 1 billion
years ago, or 100 million years ago, or even
10,000 years ago?
My opthamologist advised me to refrain from staring
at a lighted screen for extended periods, especially
for the next two weeks, but I would like to read your
reply.

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Message 204 of 278 (894469)
05-17-2022 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Percy
05-15-2022 3:06 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, you and several others have asked for proof
that God (currently consisting of the Father and Jesus).
I cannot provide you with absolute proof, especially if
you refuse to even consider it.
However, God can provide convincing proof, and to me
undeniable proof, that He exists.
Until I see my opthologist again this coming Monday, I
will make short abbreviated posts. Listen, l've never
made fun of anyone's health issues in my life.
First, God is not trying to save all humans during this
present age. More than 99% of those who call themselves
Christians don't understand this.
Jesus taught in parables, and most assume that this
was to make His teachings clearer.
But, in fact, the exact opposite was true.
Mark 4:11-12 And He said unto them, "unto you it is
given to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without, all these things are
done in parables:"
"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and
hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at
any time they should be converted, and their sins
should be forgiven them."
Read also Matthew 13: 13-15. & Luke 8:10.
Jesus says in John 6:44 that no one could come
to Him, except the Father draws him. He restated
this in verse 65.
Paul states in Romans 8: 29-30 that some are
predestination to conform to God's image.
The predestinated ones are only the firstfruits.
The firstfruits are called out down through the
ages and offered a position in God's Kingdom
when Christ returns to earth and establishes it.
Predestinated simply means limited in advance.
Everyone brought up in the second Resurrection
will be told that they deserve the death penalty,
but that Christ paid that penalty for them.
Notice that those in the second resurrection
(Rev.20) are brought back as flesh and blood
humans. Also notice that this is to be a judgment,
not a sentencing.
These Individuals will be given God's Holy Spirit,
and taught brought Christ and the firstfruits, who
at that time are members of the God family.
All who ever lived (except the firstfruits and those
who will be raised in the third resurrection) will be
raised up in the second resurrection.
Those in the third resurrection will consist of the
truly evil; those who devoted their lives to Satan
and his cause; and, those who God called during
this present age, but they willfully refused His
calling.
This might not seem like I am offering proof for
the existence of God. But, I hope it will all tie in.
I will continue in a few hours.

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Message 207 of 278 (894481)
05-17-2022 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Percy
05-15-2022 3:06 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, before Adam was created Lucifer, who God later
called Satan, was placed on the unfinished earth to put
the finishing touches to it--much like putting the finishing
touches to a piece of furniture.
A third of the angel were put under his command. But,
Satan, because of his great beauty and false pride,
rebelled. He thought that he should sit at the left hand
of God and rule the universe as a trinity.
God had placed Satan the ruler of earth, and the angels,
who later became demons, were subordinate to him.
Satan and his horde battled against the loyal angels of
God, who were led by the archangel Michael. The solar
system, and perhaps the entire universe, bear the scars
of this titanic battle.
Satan was defeated and cast back down to the earth.
However, he was still the ruler on the earth. God keeps
some reign over him, but he is still the God of this
world/age.
Adam was created to replace Satan, but he failed to
qualify for the position. Both he and Eve were deceived
by Satan, and they questioned whether God or they
themselves knew the way to true happiness.
The fall of Adam, which brought sin and death into the
world, left Satan as earth's ruler.
God foreknew that Adam would sin, and bring
death to all his offspring. The Word knew that one day
He would be born of a woman and give His life as a
ransom for us all.
Adam made the wrong choice because he did not know
way of life was best. One way exemplified by Satan is
the way of "get." God's way is the way of "give."
One way consisted of greed, competition, and get ahead
at all cost. The other is one of love, sharing, and genuine
concern for his fellow man.
God intends for all humans to experience both ways.
This is the only way that we can make an Informed
choice.
The world has suffered greatly under Satan's rule. It
gets so bad that (Matthew 24) if Christ delayed His
return that no life on earth would be left alive.
God will then show us His way of life. He will be very
patient with us. He loves us dearly, and it breaks His
heart to see what we do to ourselves, but He had to
let it run its course.
2Cor. 4:4 states that Satan is the God of this
world/present age.
Eph. 2:2 states that he is the prince of the power of
the air. He controls Hollywood; the music industry;
and, earth's rulers.
Rev. 12:9 tells us that he deceives the whole world.
Only God can prevent one from this.
Actors; musicians; world rulers; high men of industry
have all sold their soul (present life) to Satan and his
cause in order to achieve fame, power, and wealth.
Satan uses these people to influence and polute the
minds of others, especially the young.
I have seen hundreds of stars, etc..., admit to having
sold their souls to Satan in order to get what their
hearts most desired.
He also controls our institutions of learning. Our
schools and universities forbid the teaching of
God and His laws. They do not allow one to teach
that we were created in His image.
They teach, without any evidence whatsoever, that
we are creatures of chance; that we are nothing more
than animals.
There is no wonder that we kill each other so easily.
Babies, who are in their mother's womb, are ripped
apart by doctors without an ounce of remorse.
In California (bill 2223) says that if a baby dies
within thirty days after being born that the mother
Will not be charged. They deny this, but read the
bill. In several states it is permissible to kill a
human baby as it is being born.
Only God can provide absolute proof that He is our
Creator. He can convince an individual beyond a
shadow of a doubt that He exists.
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me,
when you search for me with all your heart.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible
to please Him: forhe that cometh to God must
believe that He is, and that He is a rewarded of
them that diligently seek Him.
God has precestinated some. However, He will
never turn away those who desperately want and
look for Him.

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Message 211 of 278 (894486)
05-17-2022 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by AZPaul3
05-17-2022 1:07 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
AZPaul3:
I don't know anything about this video game. However,
I have stated in an earlier post that the angels, including
Lucifer, were filled with joy when the world was originally
created.
I have no idea how long Satan had existed before Adam
was created. The Bible is silent concerning this.
What I do know is that Lucifer was the most powerful
being that God can create by fiat. Just the fact that he
thought he could war against God tells us that he is
a truly powerful being. Although those who will be
born into the God family will be much more powerful
than Satan could ever be.

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Message 214 of 278 (894489)
05-17-2022 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2022 2:32 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Tanyptery:
Perhaps I worded that wrong. I have seen them admit to
this on social media. If you really want to see the evidence
do the research on YouTube.
These people accepted Satan as their God in exchange
for power, wealth, and fame.
Famous magicians make deals with demon in which
the demon assists them with their magic, but after
death the magician must become their slave.
Some of these magical acts are impossible to do
without assistance from the Spirit world.
Thousands of posters that famous magicians have
had printed up clearly shows demons whispering
in their ears, or sitting on their shoulders.
What they don't know is that after they die they are
completely unconscious until the resurrection. Which
for them will be the third resurrection. Those in the
third resurrection will automatically be sentenced to
eternal death.
Demons know what their final outcome will be. They
want to take as many humans with them as they can.
Do an in depth research of famous personalities who
have sold their soul (life) to Satan and you see that
the number who have done so grows and grows.
These people know that Satan exists. His high ranking
demons literally possess those who control the means
of reaching fame and fortune.
I dare you to do the research. Take your time and do
it right. Perhaps, your eyes will then begin to open.

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Message 218 of 278 (894493)
05-17-2022 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Percy
05-17-2022 10:19 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, you still haven't offered one thing that
supports evolution. In fairness, I looked over
your post. I keep looking for hard core
evidence, but what I find is nothing but
assumptions.
True science cannot be built on assumptions.
There is not one thing connected to evolution
that is connected to real science.
Evolution is a fantasy land, consisting of
Perhaps; maybe; it is likely; there's a good
possibility; etc....
Life doesn't come from non-life. It has never
been shown that it does. And, you know this.
Stop pretending that you don't know this.

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Message 225 of 278 (894504)
05-18-2022 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by jar
05-17-2022 10:13 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Jar, thank you for finally admitting that life
was created by an intelligent Being.
That same being also created the material that
He created life from.
Imagine that some people actually believe that
everything in the universe existed in a tiny dot,
much smaller than the period of this sentence.
They are gullible enough to believe this. And then
They want people with common sense to take
them seriously.

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Message 229 of 278 (894550)
05-21-2022 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by dwise1
05-13-2022 2:36 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Dwise (post 198), don't play dumb. When you talk of
evolution you believe in the "leached from a rock
organism" to every animal/organism alive today.
Isolation has nothing to do with this.
Every concepts that evolutionists have invented are
methodically being destroyed by the truth.
Remember when wide-eyed evolutionists strutted
around acting stupid by pretending that vestigial
organs proved evolution?
The coccyx, appendix, body hair, tonsils, wisdom teeth, ete..,
they screamed, serve no purpose. These organs are
now useless, and are evolving away.
If these organs serve no purpose then why do
evolutionists say they evolved in the first place?
The fact is that all these organs were designed
for specific purposes.
I won't tell you what these purposes are unless
you ask. I want to see if you are really ignorant
of these design purposes.
These same evolutionists ranted and raved about
VO in animals: such as flightless birds, and
whales pelvis bones.
And again, I won't tell you their respective design
purposes unless you admit that you just can't
figure them out--that their usage is above your
intelligence level.
Remember how Darwin and his blind followers
swore to high heaven that transitional fossils
would eventually be found, and that these fossils
would prove their weak hypothesis of evolution
true?
Man! The joke is on them. Can you say Duh?
Oh yeah. In the year 2001, the 101 biology textbooks
at Murray State (and numerous other places)were
still using Hackel's fraudulent embryos illustration.
Talk about dishonesty.
Isn't it ludicrous to think that homologous structures
are more indictive of common descent than they are
of a common designer?
Why would blind and random evolution lead to
Improvement? There is not a law that says this is
a requirement. There is not one law in nature that
states complex organs can be constructed little
by little; generation after generation.
One can believe this if one wishes to do so. But,
I would rather stick with real science.

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Message 230 of 278 (894552)
05-21-2022 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by ringo
05-15-2022 2:58 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Ringo, you say that science doesn't deal in proofs.
It deals in evidence.
Well, courts of law also deal in evidence, but they
are oftentimes wrong.
Proof can prove or disprove something beyond a
shadow of a doubt.
Evidence alone cannot do this. Evidence is open
to Interpretation. And one's interpretation is almost
always slanted by presuppositions.

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Message 232 of 278 (894554)
05-21-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Percy
05-17-2022 10:19 AM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Percy, I have already stated what a "Biblical kind" is
Did you ever hear of Hilda, Alberta?
There is an area there that is roughly 14 miles
long that is bulging with fossils of over 55
species, consisting of dinosaurs, clams, fish,
and many mammals.
As far as the eye can see there are fossils.
More than 400 skeletons have been uncovered.
Many of those who work on the excavation of
these fossils claim that it still has the "stench
of death." Imagine that.
The big bad evvolution experts insist that the Red
River was inundated by a "monster storm" that
flooded inland for tens of miles.
The flooding, they insist, drowned these thousands
of animals, and quickly covered them with mud;
thereby, preserving the fossils.
There is an area that stretches from Texas to
Montana (1000 miles wide by 1800 miles long,
and encompassing 14 states) that contains
thousands of fossils.
Tissue samples from the numerous sites show
that these animals died just a few thousand
years ago, and not tens of millions.
The site in Hilda is said to have been caused by a
"monster storm," that was geographically isolated.
The large site in America isn't treated with the
same degree of common sense, even though the
best explanation is a "global flood."
If evolutionists admits to Noah's global flood, it would
be suicide for them.
They would rather be willfully ignorant than admit
the plain truth that is right in front of them.

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Message 233 of 278 (894555)
05-21-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2022 4:45 PM


Re: SHOW US, candle2!
Tanyptery, you don't fool me. You are checking into
the the subject of celebrities selling their souls.
Not even a third grader would require a more
advanced individual do this for them.
Schools and universities are warping the minds of
many in America, and the world.
Lying professors have convinced those who are
easily fooled that evolution accounts for all life
on earth, even it's origin.
These lying teachers and professors have now
convinced the weak willed that a man can become
a woman and that a woman can become a man.
On many campuses Tampax machines have been
installed in men's room. Some of these idiots are
now convinced that men can get pregnant.
Ask one in the Biden's administration to define
A woman and they can't/won't do it.
People say that Satan doesn't exist; yet, they
pay homage to him everyday.
I don't care if you do your own research or not.
If you feel safe in your current view of the world,
then by all means don't do anything that might
enlighten you.

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