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ringo
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Message 296 of 589 (888044)
08-31-2021 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by Phat
08-30-2021 2:35 PM


Re: Get Real.
Phat writes:
You make no sense.
I meant to say, "Many people of faith are also people of evidence."
Phat writes:
First off, you are not a person of faith. You think Jesus is an Elmer Gantry Compilation.
That has nothing to do with anything I said, sensible or otherwise.
But I DO have faith in the message - just like I have faith in gravity. Reality confirms that they work.
It doesn't matter who the messenger is, whether it's Jesus or Elmer Gantry. The message works. And that's what matters.
Phat writes:
Then you turn around and scold me for not listening to what the character in the book says.
I don't "scold" you for not doing what the messenger says. I point out that you ignore the message. You argue against the message. How does that demonstrate faith in the messenger?
Phat writes:
Just because I refuse to be an idiot and sell all that I have does not mean I don't otherwise listen to the character...
Of course it does. If Jesus tells you to be an idiot, be an idiot.
The disciples were idiots. The lady with two mites was an idiot. The widow who fed Elijah was an idiot. The members of the early church were idiots (except for Ananias and Sapphira, who were killed for not being idiots). Many members of monastic groups, Christian and non-Christian, are idiots.
Jesus requires you to be an idiot. You can't get into heaven without being an idiot.
Phat writes:
I cannot really judge you as you feel driven to judge me.
I'm not judging you. I'm pointing out how Jesus will judge you.
Phat writes:
But explain your statement.
ringo writes:
Many people of faith are also people of faith.
And few people of faith are likely to swallow your nonsense.
As I said, it was a gaffe. I meant to say, "Many people of faith are also people of evidence."
But it works as written too: You claim to be a person of faith but you have no actual faith in Jesus. You don't trust Him to take care of you. You insist on taking care of yourself.
I also said, "And few people of faith are likely to swallow your nonsense." That should be self-explanatory. The people who DO live the life that Jesus required - Christians and non-Christians - obviously don't agree with you that it can't be done.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 315 of 589 (888951)
10-25-2021 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
Michael MD writes:
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials.-
Kurt Vonnegut had a recurring character named Kilgore Trout in several of his books. He was often just mentioned as "a science fiction writer who once wrote a story about an ether-based creation model" (or some similar premise). Vonnegut never attempted to fill out those ideas; they were just ideas.
There are stories that mention ideas and then there are fleshed-out ideas and then there are scientific theories.
You are Kilgore Trout.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 316 of 589 (888952)
10-25-2021 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by AZPaul3
10-25-2021 12:02 PM


Re: Real Dismissal
AZPaul3 writes:
Phat writes:
Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!
That's not easy to do with brown eggs.
In Canada, we sent them to residential schools to try to turn them white. Didn't work.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 382 of 589 (890057)
12-23-2021 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by Michael MD
12-22-2021 9:31 AM


Michael MD writes:
It would require financial sponsorship, as it would be pretty expensive.
Remind us what "it" is.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 431 of 589 (891102)
01-17-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by Michael MD
01-16-2022 9:32 AM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
Michael MD writes:
The basic ideas for the Model were obtained through codebreaking, of sets of codes, putatively enciphered by otherworldly sources.
Y'know, codebreaking is also done via the scientific method. Decoded messages have to be compared with reality to determine whether or not the decoding worked.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 471 of 589 (892486)
03-08-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by Michael MD
03-08-2022 1:08 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
... due not to a Big Bang and other random-chance cosmic processes, as is now accepted....
There's an indicator that you don't understand what is "now accepted".
Natural selection is not a random-chance process. Hint: "selection".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 487 of 589 (892799)
03-14-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by Tanypteryx
03-12-2022 2:29 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx writes:
Jacob's ladders were mesmerizing!
A lot of the props for Frankenstein's lab in the 1931 movie were supposedly borrowed from Nikola Tesla.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 503 of 589 (893216)
04-01-2022 12:29 PM


Topic: ether.
We were doing liquid-liquid extractions using ether. We were working in the fume hood, of course. Late in the afternoon, somebody came in and said, "I can smell your ether all the way down the hall."
Maybe she was smelling Michael's ether.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

  
ringo
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Message 516 of 589 (893420)
04-12-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 515 by Tanypteryx
04-11-2022 2:01 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx writes:
Mentally beaming electrons...really?
Once upon a time, when Dana Carvey was on Saturday Night Live, he was playing a rock star. He was supposed to be writing songs for a new album that he was supposed to start recording today - but he was in his hotel room, stalling, because he hadn't written a note yet. He decided to have some lunch and he was chopping broccoli. He started to sing, "Choppin' broccoli... choppin' broccoli... choppin' broccoli... choppin' broccoli... choppin' broccoli...."
I think that's a better hook than, "Mentally beaming electrons...."

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 527 of 589 (893543)
04-16-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Michael MD
04-13-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
"Choppin broccoli" has nothing to do with it. This Thread is An Ether Based Creation Model.
In case you didn't get the joke, "Choppin' broccoli" is exactly what you sound like. There's no substance at all in what you're saying. The people on this thread want you to record some proper songs but you're just choppin' broccoli.
MichaelMD writes:
If that's not serious, what is?
The war in Ukraine is serious. Covid-19 is serious. Inflation is serious.
If you want your "model" to be taken more seriously, put it in limerick form.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 529 of 589 (893684)
04-18-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Michael MD
04-18-2022 7:01 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
My Ether Model makes the most sense.
Your "model" doesn't make a lick of sense to anybody but you. If it did make sense, you could show it to scientists.
It isn't even a real model. It's just a bunch of random musings.
MichaelMD writes:
Should we continue with the model currently accepted in physics?
Of course. For one thing, it has allowed us to put men on the moon and bring them back. The currently accepted model works.
MichaelMD writes:
There was a "Big Bang" and "then atoms appeared."
You're just showing your complete ignorance of the currently-accepted model. You're trying to think outside the box when you don't understand the box. You're trying to tear down the house when you don't know how to build a new one.
Learn something before you criticize the people who know.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 533 of 589 (893858)
04-21-2022 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by Michael MD
04-21-2022 12:48 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
With my ether model, and its concepts of design and maintenance in the cosmos, one's cosmological perspective changes completely.
As I may have mentioned before, you can't think outside the box effectively until you understand the box. A change in your "cosmological perspective" isn't really relevant unless you understand the existing perspectives. And you don't seem to.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 540 of 589 (893948)
04-24-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Michael MD
04-23-2022 2:03 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
I disagree with your implication that my Ether Model's perspectives and differences with respect to the currently accepted models of cosmology and physics is due to my "lack of understanding" the mainstream models.
It's not an "implication"; it's a flat-out statement: You do not understand the mainstream models. You don't even understand what a model is, much less have the wherewithal to overthrow what thousands of scientists have spent millions of person-hours building. Where do you get your ego?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 553 of 589 (894042)
04-29-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Michael MD
04-29-2022 10:32 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
MichaelMD writes:
I would go into those details only to a potential financial sponsor.
And that potential sponsor would immediately run your details past some scientific types who would tell him what you've been told here, that you're a crank.
You might have a chance if your cranky idea had some economic potential, like an engine that runs on water.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 574 of 589 (895381)
06-24-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Michael MD
06-24-2022 9:16 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Michael MD writes:
If this was all just my imagination, how could it be this wide-ranging and remain logical?
Tolkien's world was wide-ranging and logical. The Marvel Universe is wide-ranging and logical. The beauty of imagination is that it IS wide-ranging and (sometimes) logical.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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