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Message 234 of 589 (887363)
08-01-2021 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by ringo
08-01-2021 10:31 AM


Re: Get Real.
of course, I knew that and was in fact employing such a metaphor in light of my question to AZPaul3. He has yet to admit that his mind is not eternal nor is our collective. We are not God. (Even if one cannot be proven)
Light is a metaphor for a loving Deity, though some may argue that if a Deity exists there is no promise that such a Power is Good. I would of course argue otherwise, for hope becomes a lot stronger when at least one of us knows the way out of the forest.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 236 of 589 (887368)
08-01-2021 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by AZPaul3
08-01-2021 7:16 AM


Re: Get Real.
AZPaul3 writes:
I hope you didn't expect me to answer any of that crap, Phat.
Why not? They are just simple questions. And Ringo, I expect the same from you. You guys cant wax philosophic about what science tells us will happen in 100 billion (give or take) years and then imply that you dont care about an eternal destiny or purpose...if not for you for your offspring.
Which leads to a few more hypotheticals.
  • Is Creation and Generativity an ongoing process and if so, what role do (or should) humans play?
  • Is destruction part of the eternal narrative (sorta like a Yin Yang oscillating regenerating Universe aka Big Bang+Big Crunch type of scenario?
  • If so, what good does it do for humans to think no further than their next baby?
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 289 of 589 (888024)
    08-30-2021 8:40 AM
    Reply to: Message 271 by Michael MD
    08-07-2021 11:12 AM


    Re: Get Real.
    MichaelMD writes:
    This Thread has presented my Ether Model. Anyone taking the time to go through my earlier posts will see that my model covers a very wide range of cosmological and earth-based topics. By its very nature, the fact that my model is based on an ether makes it deviate from basic foundational theories of quantum physics. -Just the fact that physics still rejects the ether, alone, means that the last few posts, commenting on my mistake on a comparatively small detail of quantum theory, is beside the main point.
    Hello Michael. I had not read this thread in some time, though was curious how your discussion was moving along.
    MD writes:
  • By its very nature, the fact that my model is based on an ether makes it deviate from basic foundational theories of quantum physics.
  • -so aside from yourself, have no other researchers examined your hypothesis apart from you? I noticed that you mentioned Egg on the face to Percy as if you are expecting someway somehow to eventually be vindicated through acceptance of your controversial model. Do you honestly feel as if your understanding was/is an epiphany and that it will come to light?
    If so, I see similar patterns in my own fantasies beliefs, though in my case, I feel as if the faith-based community can understand my hypothesis and where I am going. The evidence-based community never will. Do you see yourself as a faith-based scientific speculator or do you think you can hang with the evidence-based crowd?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 292 of 589 (888038)
    08-30-2021 2:35 PM
    Reply to: Message 290 by ringo
    08-30-2021 11:59 AM


    Re: Get Real.
    You make no sense.
    To wit:
    ringo writes:
    That's a false dichotomy. Many people of faith are also people of faith.
    And few people of faith are likely to swallow your nonsense.
    First off, you are not a person of faith. You think Jesus is an Elmer Gantry Compilation. Then you turn around and scold me for not listening to what the character in the book says.
    Just because I refuse to be an idiot and sell all that I have does not mean I don't otherwise listen to the character (whom I consider living and active)
    Perhaps you have faith in humanity....homeless folks who would likely give you a warm spot and meal due to your spare change generosity.
    I cannot really judge you as you feel driven to judge me.
    But explain your statement.
    ringo writes:
    Many people of faith are also people of faith.
    And few people of faith are likely to swallow your nonsense.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 313 of 589 (888943)
    10-25-2021 10:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 311 by jar
    10-24-2021 3:52 PM


    Re: Real Dismissal
    Johnny Carson once had a funny joke about fill-in bandleader Tommy Newsom.
    He quipped, "Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!"

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 326 of 589 (889403)
    11-25-2021 7:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 325 by Michael MD
    11-25-2021 7:02 AM


    Re: Get Real.
    You really do like "your model" don't you? I suppose that SI cannot compete for her attention. But hey! There is always the freedom of speech!

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 550 of 589 (894035)
    04-29-2022 10:48 AM
    Reply to: Message 549 by Michael MD
    04-29-2022 10:32 AM


    Re: Powerful Stuff
    MD writes:
    I would go into those details only to a potential financial sponsor.
    Note that a financial sponsor with any normal credibility would insist on some sort of report as to what they were financially supporting. It seems to me that your whole idea is your own theory or belief and not scientifically backed according to the rules of evidence and mainstream science. In order for someone to back you, they would have to believe in you. Otherwise, the whole topic devolves into a hypothetical pipe dream. They could of course share your enthusiasm for your "model" or dream. This is a tough crowd here...you likely wouldn't get a dollar out of any of them.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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