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Message 76 of 278 (893812)
04-20-2022 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by ringo
04-20-2022 3:42 PM

Nothing moves towards the more orderly,
regardless of whether it is in a so-called
open or closed system.
You know this!

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Message 86 of 278 (893861)
04-21-2022 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Tanypteryx
04-20-2022 4:13 PM

Tanyptery, my point is that it does not take
tens or hundreds of millions of years to create
either diamonds or oil.
You say that there might be 20,000,000 or
more species of insects. Well, I would say
that this favors a creationist's point of view.
As I have already stated, no human has every
witnessed macro-evolution. Yet, you want us
to believe that this has (including all
intermediate steps) happened more than
100,000,000 times in the insect kingdom alone.
It is much more likely that an all-knowing God
created them, each having a design purpose.
Again, I have no problem with people believing
in evolution. That is their God-given right. My
issue is with them preaching that it is a proven
fact. And, I have an issue with spending tax
money to teach these fairytales to kids.
Did you hear about the frog who became a prince?

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Message 94 of 278 (893874)
04-21-2022 6:19 PM
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04-20-2022 5:25 PM

Dwise, I started college at Murray State in the
Fall of 2000, at age of 47. I was required to take
certain science classes, so I too biology.
The head of the Biology Deptartment, who was
also one of my instructors, and I talked often.
He was also head of the Handcock Biological
Station. He was quite knowlegeable.
He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled with
me. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept
this information to himself.
Those who speak out against evolution, and now
"Climate change" could find themselves looking
for a new job.
College should be a place where people can
exchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo.
If you have proof of evolution, I would like for
you to share it with us.
What I think you have is nothing but misguided
Do you know that every country on earth have
myths about a global flood?
Do you know that Noah's Ark had as much space
as nearly 600 railroad box cars. Or over 400,000
cubic meters of space.
In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" the ark was a cube.
Can you imagine riding in that--talk about sea
Noah's Ark had a design ratio of 30x5x3-LxWxH.
Modern cargo ships are based on this design
Dr. Sean Hong, of KRISO Research Center, in
Daejeon, South Korea, performed extensive
experiments on 12 hull designs.
The Ark's design ratio was the optimal design
for seaworthiness; balanced stability; comfort
and strength.
When proportions were modified the structures
became prone to fracture, less stable, and
Dr. Hong was an atheist, and believed that life
came from the sea.

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Message 103 of 278 (893895)
04-22-2022 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
04-21-2022 6:26 PM

AZPaul3, the Creator of everything that exist
is the member of the God family known to us
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him; and without Him
was not anything made that was made.
Vs.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt
among us...
Vs.10 He was in the world, and the world was
made by Him.....
Do you understand what these verses are stating?
In the beginning, before the universe, even before
the angels were created, there existed two supremely
powerful Spirit Beings.
One was the Word (Logos, Spokesman); the other
was the One we know as the Father. The Father
is the greater of the two. God here is from Theos,
In any event, Jesus created all that is in the
Read also Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:16. There are others,
but right now I don't recall where.
Gen. 1:26 records the Word (Jesus) speaking
to the Father: "Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness...
Jesus is the One who said "Let there be light."
God here is from Elohim (plural).
Read what Jesus said to the Jews about
God, the Father:
John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son...He has declared h
John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the
Father, save He which is of God, He has
seen the Father.
Read also John 5:37 & John 17: 25-26.
The point here is no one, according to the
Creator, has ever seen the Father. Neither
has any human ever heard His voice, nor
has anyone seen His form.
However, Adam saw God, so did Abraham,
Moses, and a number of other men in the
Old Testament.
In fact, more than seventy Israelites saw
God at the same time.
Ex. 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron,
Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders
of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel.
It's recorded in Ex. 33:18-23 that Moses was
Allowed to see God in all His Glory. But, Moses
was only permitted to see the backside of God.
Since no one has ever seen the Father, then
Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus is the One who gave Moses the 10
Commandments. And, Jesus is the One who
led the Israites out of Egypt by day in a pillar
of clouds, and at night by a pillar of fire.
Want proof!
1 Cor. 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not
that you should be ignorant, how that all our
fathers were under the cloud, and all passed
through the sea;
And were all baptized baptized unto Moses
in the cloud and in the sea;
And did eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that
followed them; and that Rock was Christ.
I will finish this post shortly. My charger
stopped working. I will buy one from the
Dollar Sto

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Message 107 of 278 (893899)
04-22-2022 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
04-21-2022 6:26 PM

Ex.3:14-15 Moses asks God what was His name, and
God replied, "I AM THAT I AM." He told Moses to tell
the Israelites that "I AM" had sent him to them.
1n John 8:56-59 Jesus told the Jews that Abraham
rejoiced to see His day.
Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou are not yet fifty
years old, and has thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, "Truly, I say unto you, before
Abraham was, I AM.
They tried to stone Him because they understood
exactly what He meant. However, He slipped away
from them.
In John 18:4-8 when the band of men came to arrest
Jesus, He asked them, "Whom seek you"?
They answered Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus said unto
them, "I AM he.
As soon as they heard this they fell backwards on
the ground.
Again He asked them "whom seek ye"?
Jesus answered, I have told you that l am he.
The words "he" after "I Am" is in italics. It was
added the translators. I is not in the oldest
What Jesus said is "I AM".
Jesus referred to Himself as "I AM".
The bread of life;
Light of the world;
The door;
Good shepherd
Resurrection and the life
Way, truth, and the life
The vine
Jesus told His disciples in John 8:23-24 that it they did
not believe that He was "I AM" that they would die in
their sins.
John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that when it
is come (His death and resurrection) to pass, ye may
believe that I am he.
Again, he is in italics.
Doubting Thomas, after verifying that Jesus had in fact
risen from the dead, proclaimed "my Lord and my God."
The Father is indeed greater than the Son, but only after
all has been fulfilled will the Son turn everything over to
the Father. He will then take His place at the Father's
right hand.
Anyone who does not understand that Jesus is the
actual Creator will have a difficult time grasping the
creation week.
Only Jesus' death atoned for our sins, because He is
the one who created us.

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Message 110 of 278 (893902)
04-22-2022 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
04-22-2022 4:29 PM

AZPaul3, there is a lot of scam associated with
religion. There is even a good deal of it associated
with the Christian religion.
Lying televangelists have no love for God in their
hearts. It all about wealth and power for them.
The Roman Cathic Church was started by Simon
Magus who, in the Book of Acts, tried to buy the
power of the Holy Spirit. It is a filthy organization.
Christ's Church is small and not politically powerful.
Down through the ages, His Church was persecuted
a great deal by the universal Church.
Satan could not stomp out true Christianity, so
he started a counterfeit religion.
You think that a true Christian is weak-willed.
But, you are so far from the truth. The most
difficult thing that I have ever done in my life
Is to surrender myself to another. It went
against my pride. I fought it for decades.
But, I know that Christ exists, and I know that
He knows me. There is no better comfort than

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Message 115 of 278 (893914)
04-23-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by dwise1
04-22-2022 7:45 PM

Dwise, because of auto correct I originally
had a tough time typing your name it.
It kept switching your name to Disease.
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you,
but it was just a bit funny.

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Message 121 of 278 (893927)
04-23-2022 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by jar
04-23-2022 4:16 PM

Jar, from what I've noticed, each discipline
thinks that another discipline has the
proof of evolution.
Biologists think that paleontologists
have the proof.
Paleontologists think that geneticists
have the proof.
Geneticists think that archeologists
have the proof.
Archeologists think that geologists
have the proof.
There is no way to prove evolution.
If it were provable, everyone would
accept it.
Gravity is provable and everyone accepts
At sea level water boils at 212 degrees
Fahrenheit. It freezes at 32 degrees. It
can be replicated time and time again.
Everyone accepts it.
Evolutionists want people to disregard
their common sense, and believe in
something that none of us can witness
first hand.
There is not one thing about evolution
that seems plausible to me.
There are no transitional fossils. And, don't
try to say that there is. There isn't.
None of these fossils come with a tag on
them, stating how old they are.
It is left up to one's interpretation. Creationists
have the same evidence that evolutionists have.
And, what makes someone thinks that these
fossils were capable of doing what animals
today can't do.
And, that is to have offsprings who are of a
different "kind."

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Message 125 of 278 (893933)
04-23-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Tanypteryx
04-23-2022 5:35 PM

Tanyptery, I know how you think it works.
You think that small incremental changes
over long periods of time lead to differing
Without even a tiny smidgen of transitional
fossils some evolutionists are now looking
at the possibility of punctuated equilibrium,
which is basically rapid change.
In all recorded history neither of these two
views has been observed.
No transitional fossils, and no punctuated

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Message 127 of 278 (893935)
04-23-2022 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Tanypteryx
04-23-2022 7:46 PM

I know what P-E is, and how long it has been
around. There was no need for me to go into
it in great detail. You understand what I was
I do occasionally look over fossils, but there
are no transitional fossils.
If evolution were true, there would by necessity
be hundreds of millions of transitional fossils.
If Darwin were alive today and was able to see
the complexity of the simple cell, he would feel
like a complete fool.
And, after all these decade and still no transitional
fossils, he would drop to his knees and beg God
for forgiveness.

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Message 136 of 278 (893999)
04-28-2022 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by ringo
04-24-2022 2:32 PM

Evolution is neither a logical nor a consistent theory.
The theory (which is a a stretch of the imagination to
even call it a theory) is not based on empirical science.
For the sake of being honest, let's call it a hypothesis;
albeit, a weak one.
There is only one type of evolution that has even a tiny
hint of science behind it. And that is microevolution.
Even microevolution isn't true evolution. It is nothing
more than changes in gene frequencies within a species.
No new information is acquired.
All finches in the Galapagos are still finches. All the
different breeds of dogs are still just dogs. One can
say that minute changes over eons of time can lead
to the creation of new species/kind, but that belief
is based on faith, not science. Faith is a religion.
And religion has no place in the classroom.
Isolation can lead to speciation, which might lead to
some animals of the same kind no longer being
capable of reproducing, but this is a loss of
information. It is not evolution in any form of the
Humans have not observed one species of animal
evolving into another species of animal (organism).
Humans have no transitional fossils, when we should
have tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions.
Imagine that; perhaps over 8,000,000 different types
of organisms, and not even one intermediate fossil.
Some say that complex chemicals created life. And, I
say prove it. Replicate the process. Guess work isn't
The facts are all on my side. It comes down to science
and creation vs. evolutionary hypothesis.
Evolution is nothing more than iron pyrite.

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Message 143 of 278 (894121)
05-02-2022 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by dwise1
04-28-2022 12:56 PM

Dwise, I understand that there is a huge amount of
genetic diversity within a "kind." I don't dispute this.
There is clear and convincing proof of this.
Show me empirical proof that one "kind" of animal
can/has produce(d) an animal of a different "kind."
It is such a simple request, and I am completely
justified in asking for it. I want what any competent
individual (especially what a competent scientist
should demand), and that is empirical and
operational evidence.
It took me many years and a good deal of empirical
evidence to place all my faith in God. God commands
us to prove everything.
I don't have anything near the amount of faith it would
take for me to even associate variety within a "kind" to
"kind" producing a totally different "kind."
The theory of evolution is the only (so called)theory
that has not been abandoned, even though it lacks
any semblance of empirical science.
Evolutionary philosophy isn't science.

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Message 166 of 278 (894182)
05-06-2022 11:16 AM

Jar, evolutionists are the dishonest ones. Not only are
my views based on the Bible; they are also based on
real science.
I, like you and all evolutionists, believe in historical
science. The big difference is that I put more trust
in observational science (true science) than
historical science.
OS, for me, stands head and shoulder above HS,
which is open to subjective interpretation.
I could go on and on about how OS proves time
after time that evolutionary concepts are wrong.
Let's take just one example: Polystrata.
Polystrata consists of fossils, mostly trees, but
also animals, that extend upright through multiple
geologic layers. Supposedly with each layer being
millions of years old.
How a dead tree can stand upright for millions of
years without decaying away is not acceptable to
a sane, rational individual. But anyone who believes
the fossil of dinosaurs that still have soft and
flexible tissue after 75,000,000 years will believe
in just about anything.
In any event, the so-called geologic column, which
is/was based on assumption, was blown away by
Mt. St. Helen's (MSH), as was the concept of
In MSH's Spirit Lake there are hundreds of dead
trees that have become saturated with water and
the heavy root end sinks down into the mud, and
settles there. Many of these trees already extends
through multiple layers of strata.
Examples of polystrata fossils are found across the
entire globe. They are the results of a global flood.
I want you to fix this fact (and it is a fact) firmly in
your mind and that what is happening in Spirit Lake
is observable science-real science; not science that
is polluted by presuppositions.
People accept evolution, even when clearly disproved
by real science, because they refuse to accept the
Their mindset is "I want it this way-not that.

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Message 174 of 278 (894224)
05-07-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by AnswersInGenitals
05-02-2022 8:10 PM

Re: You're missing the real message
Answers, you must believe in theistic evolution (TE). You
accept that the earth itself is roughly four-and-a-half
billions years old.
I assume that you believe the six days (Yom) of creation
were of an indeterminate amount of time, perhaps up to
750,000,000 million years each. The day-age theory.
It is true that "yom" can refer to a period of time other
than a 24 hour period. However, when a number is used
with yom it always indicate a 24 hour period. Also, when
evening and/or day (light & dark) is used it refers to a
24 hour period.
On day three of creation God made the dry land to
appear. In addition, He created the tree; grass; flowers;
and, herbs on the same day.
The life giving rays of the sun did not reach the earth
until day four, which according to TE would have been
750,000,000 years later. Perhaps you should check
into the necessity of photosynthesis.
On top of that, birds and other organisms responsible
for pollination were not created until day five, which
would have been 1,500,000,000 years later.
On the 7th Day God (Jesus) created the Sabbath Day.
And, in numerous Biblical texts God commands us to
both remember the Sabbath Day and to keep it holy.
In Exodus 20: 8-11, God commands the Israelites to
work sis days and rest on the Sabbath. Do you
honestly believe God was telling us to work for
4,000,000,000 years and then rest 750,000,000 years?
If you really knew God's purpose in creating man you
would know beyond d a shadow of a doubt that God
left nothing to chance.
Before the world was even created Jesus knew that
He would give His life to pay for our sins. Read
1 Peter 1:20; Revelation 13:8; and Acts 3:23.
Humans are not to become angels after death. Our
potential is far greater than that. We are to be born
I to the God family.
God says that we are to become His very sons. Jesus
says that He would call us brethren (brother).
God tells us that we will inherit all that He has. He
also tells us we will become far greater than angels,
that we will rule over them.
This is why character is of the utmost importance.
We can only attain this character by having His
precious Holy Spirit dwelling within us. Through
His Holy Spirit we can attain fellowship with the
Father and Son. Through His Holy Spirit God
imparts His very nature to us. Little by little we
take on His character.
God is not like humans; He leaves nothing to chance.
He has planned this out to the last detail.

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Message 179 of 278 (894237)
05-07-2022 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by nwr
05-07-2022 1:51 PM

Re: You're missing the real message
NRW, the God that I worship says that in the beginning
He created everything. It's recorded.
Whenever I open a book written by an evolutionist it
begins with:
Life could have began;
There's a good chance that;
It is likely that;
We're not sure, but life probably;
Long ago and far away;
This kind of reasoning doesn't instill much confidence
in the reader. It's kid stuff.

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