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AZPaul3
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Message 91 of 278 (893869)
04-21-2022 4:23 PM
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04-21-2022 3:52 PM


Re: Proof Here! Get your Proof Here!
Why cure half a disease?

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Message 92 of 278 (893870)
04-21-2022 5:05 PM


Why treat a non-disease as though it were a disease?

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AZPaul3
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Message 93 of 278 (893871)
04-21-2022 5:17 PM
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04-21-2022 5:05 PM


Religion is a disease.

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candle2
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Message 94 of 278 (893874)
04-21-2022 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by dwise1
04-20-2022 5:25 PM


Dwise, I started college at Murray State in the
Fall of 2000, at age of 47. I was required to take
certain science classes, so I too biology.
The head of the Biology Deptartment, who was
also one of my instructors, and I talked often.
He was also head of the Handcock Biological
Station. He was quite knowlegeable.
He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled with
me. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept
this information to himself.
Those who speak out against evolution, and now
"Climate change" could find themselves looking
for a new job.
College should be a place where people can
exchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo.
If you have proof of evolution, I would like for
you to share it with us.
What I think you have is nothing but misguided
Faith.
Do you know that every country on earth have
myths about a global flood?
Do you know that Noah's Ark had as much space
as nearly 600 railroad box cars. Or over 400,000
cubic meters of space.
In the "Epic of Gilgamesh" the ark was a cube.
Can you imagine riding in that--talk about sea
sickness.
Noah's Ark had a design ratio of 30x5x3-LxWxH.
Modern cargo ships are based on this design
ratio.
Dr. Sean Hong, of KRISO Research Center, in
Daejeon, South Korea, performed extensive
experiments on 12 hull designs.
The Ark's design ratio was the optimal design
for seaworthiness; balanced stability; comfort
and strength.
When proportions were modified the structures
became prone to fracture, less stable, and
uncomfortable.
Dr. Hong was an atheist, and believed that life
came from the sea.

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AZPaul3
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Message 95 of 278 (893875)
04-21-2022 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by candle2
04-21-2022 6:19 PM


He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled with
me. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept
this information to himself.
Apocryphal bullshit. I don't believe you.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 96 of 278 (893876)
04-21-2022 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by candle2
04-21-2022 1:37 PM


candy2 writes:
Tanyptery, my point is that it does not take
tens or hundreds of millions of years to create
either diamonds or oil.
Your point is not evidence that it does not take millions of years to produce natural diamonds and oil.
candy2 writes:
You say that there might be 20,000,000 or
more species of insects. Well, I would say
that this favors a creationist's point of view.
Well, you would only say that because you have never studied biology or entomology.
candy2 writes:
As I have already stated, no human has every
witnessed macro-evolution. Yet, you want us
to believe that this has (including all
intermediate steps) happened more than
100,000,000 times in the insect kingdom alone.
No, as I already stated, there is no such process as macro-evolution. There is just lots and lots of micro-evolution. And there is also no such thing as the insect kingdom and I have no desires for you to believe anything.
candy2 writes:
It is much more likely that an all-knowing God
created them, each having a design purpose.
And yet, no evidence has ever been shown to support that myth, while all the evidence supports the Theory of Evolution.
candy2 writes:
Again, I have no problem with people believing
in evolution. That is their God-given right. My
issue is with them preaching that it is a proven
fact. And, I have an issue with spending tax
money to teach these fairytales to kids.
Yeah, but you'll be one of the first people bitching because tax funded entomologists have not figured out how to stop infestations of invasive species destroying our orchards, or forests or crops, because YOU didn't want your taxes teaching them science.
candy2 writes:
Did you hear about the frog who became a prince?
Are you serious?
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 97 of 278 (893877)
04-21-2022 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
04-21-2022 6:26 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
candy2 writes:
He knew that I wasn't fooled, so he leveled with
me. He didn't believe in evolution, but he kept
this information to himself.
Apocryphal bullshit. I don't believe you.
At least he didn't tell us he used to be an evolutionist and an atheist...

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Omnivorous
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Message 98 of 278 (893880)
04-21-2022 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by dwise1
04-20-2022 10:13 PM


Re: What Evolution Does Teach
Those are interesting scenarios. Gore Vidal wrote an extended essay on how AC empowered year-round occupancy of D.C., turning the sultry, largely abandoned summer into a cool oasis where the accursed, now year-round federal bureaucracy battened
I didn't believe that story either.
There just weren't that many hippies. There were many sympathizers, but they partied a bit, got laid, and moved on to conventional lives. There may have been an influx of disillusioned boomers into churches, but since religious affiliation and congregations have generally dwindled since then, I dont think boomers supercharged the megachurches.
Megachurches have mushroomed in recent decades, long after the hippie era. Most hippies, from affluent suburban families, simply went back to school. Working class kids went to work or war, and fundamentalist megachurches are primarily though not exclusively working class, their financial and political base. Recently, I suspect that the influx of more prosperous whites has empowered fundy growth -- like Trumpian fascism --far more.
More to the point, the notion of enormous numbers of burned out space pilots, like the psycho killer vet, is a literary and cinematic myth. Most of us turned out just fine: as recent research into treating depression suggests, we may well have benefited from our curiousity.
Some Jews for Jesus, Hare Krishmas, Catholics, Methodists, and many others, even a few addled by drugs, became fundy Christians but a film documentary assertion that sounded reasonable to someone with a clear disdain for hippies won't conjure a horde that didn't exist. I'd enjoy seeing evidence.
With both respect and affection, In a different but congruent circumstance, I'd say stop watching Fox news.
If you'd like to identify a demographic most responsible for the social and political power of fundamentalists throughout the decades, check out white dudes, full stop.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Tanypteryx
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Message 99 of 278 (893881)
04-21-2022 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by candle2
04-21-2022 6:19 PM


candy2 writes:
Those who speak out against evolution, and now
"Climate change" could find themselves looking
for a new job.
Any biologist who denies all the evidence supports evolution should be fired.
Any climatologist who denies that the evidence supports human caused global warming should be fired.
More to the point, why would someone want a job as a biologist if they didn't think evolution works?
Why would anyone be working as a climatologist if they didn't think the climate is changing?
You don't take jobs like that unless you are a science nerd.
candy2 writes:
College should be a place where people can
exchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo.
I don't know about taboo, but I do not support colleges promoting disinformation, misinformation or false information. Information unsupported by evidence should not be presented as facts.
Not all opinions deserve a stage.
In general, the people I see trying to make opposing or fact based views taboo, are you guys.
All that stuff about the ark is made up fiction that has no relevance in a discussion about evolution in a science thread.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 100 of 278 (893891)
04-22-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by candle2
04-21-2022 6:19 PM


candy2 writes:
Do you know that every country on earth have
myths about a global flood?
Yeah, myths about a mythical flood, so what?
Prove it. I have heard this general "every culture has a global flood myth" for a long time. Prove it.
I bet you can't show us 10 flood myths.
There is no evidence that there has ever been a global flood. There is absolutely no evidence that there has been a global flood in the last 10,000 years or indeed since humans evolved.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 101 of 278 (893892)
04-22-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by candle2
04-21-2022 1:37 PM


candle2 writes:
Tanyptery, my point is that it does not take
tens or hundreds of millions of years to create
either diamonds or oil.
It didn't "have" to take thousands of years to build Rome either - but it did.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 102 of 278 (893893)
04-22-2022 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by candle2
04-21-2022 6:19 PM


candle2 writes:
College should be a place where people can
exchange ideas, but certain ideas are taboo.
Well, lies are taboo everywhere, except in your church, apparently. Evolution-denial is a lie, a bold-faced lie - as Mark Twain would call it, a damned lie. Climate-change-denial is also a lie and a damned lie - damn near a criminal lie.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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candle2
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Message 103 of 278 (893895)
04-22-2022 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by AZPaul3
04-21-2022 6:26 PM


AZPaul3, the Creator of everything that exist
is the member of the God family known to us
Jesus.
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him; and without Him
was not anything made that was made.
Vs.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt
among us...
Vs.10 He was in the world, and the world was
made by Him.....
Do you understand what these verses are stating?
In the beginning, before the universe, even before
the angels were created, there existed two supremely
powerful Spirit Beings.
One was the Word (Logos, Spokesman); the other
was the One we know as the Father. The Father
is the greater of the two. God here is from Theos,
(plural).
In any event, Jesus created all that is in the
universe.
Read also Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:16. There are others,
but right now I don't recall where.
Gen. 1:26 records the Word (Jesus) speaking
to the Father: "Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness...
Jesus is the One who said "Let there be light."
God here is from Elohim (plural).
Read what Jesus said to the Jews about
God, the Father:
John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son...He has declared h
Him.
John 6:46 Not that any man has seen the
Father, save He which is of God, He has
seen the Father.
Read also John 5:37 & John 17: 25-26.
The point here is no one, according to the
Creator, has ever seen the Father. Neither
has any human ever heard His voice, nor
has anyone seen His form.
However, Adam saw God, so did Abraham,
Moses, and a number of other men in the
Old Testament.
In fact, more than seventy Israelites saw
God at the same time.
Ex. 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron,
Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders
of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel.
It's recorded in Ex. 33:18-23 that Moses was
Allowed to see God in all His Glory. But, Moses
was only permitted to see the backside of God.
Since no one has ever seen the Father, then
Jesus is the God of the Old Testament.
Jesus is the One who gave Moses the 10
Commandments. And, Jesus is the One who
led the Israites out of Egypt by day in a pillar
of clouds, and at night by a pillar of fire.
Want proof!
1 Cor. 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not
that you should be ignorant, how that all our
fathers were under the cloud, and all passed
through the sea;
And were all baptized baptized unto Moses
in the cloud and in the sea;
And did eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that
followed them; and that Rock was Christ.
I will finish this post shortly. My charger
stopped working. I will buy one from the
Dollar Sto

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Tanypteryx
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Message 104 of 278 (893896)
04-22-2022 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by candle2
04-22-2022 2:27 PM


This fictional bullshit does not belong in a science thread.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 105 of 278 (893897)
04-22-2022 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by candle2
04-22-2022 2:27 PM


There is nothing in your post except yet more evidence of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Deceit taking pieces parts out of context like Carny Barkers.
I believe you are a Christian but it is obvious that you are totally clueless about what message is given in all of the various Bibles.
Typical and pitiful.
You are just a Goat!

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