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Phat Member  Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
As long as I don't sacrifice any goats in my office then such moments are allowed. You've sacrificed your rational mind! I liked you better when you were a strict atheist. At least you can logically blame humans for their demise (if it occurs through neglect) chalk "God" off as a human-created character in a book who is/was strict, arbitrary, and hateful, take in the grandeur of the massive mysterious universe, and fulfill your human desire to pay homage to something greater than you while realizing that the universe itself plays no favorites and that death is just another part of life as yin is yangs, polar twin. Dualism and Monism are very old concepts...far older than the appearance of Jesus Christ. No wonder jar favors the Vedas. A random dualistic non-favoring power of chance, fate, and eternal existence as star stuff. We will bury you in space where you can float lifelessly and blissfully eternal and yet still claim not to believe in an afterlife as suggested in the dusty old book.  "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Maybe. I just get nervous when someone talks to things and pays them homage as if they were alive.
Deut 4:15-20 writes: The jews had a concept of G-D that involved no form or image of any kind. For you to gush praise at the universe (a physical entity, mind you...no voice out there apart from the Lord Himself...the Creator of all universes and galaxies...nevermind stars. 15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the LORD took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are. But again...this is appropriate in a topic known as anti-theist. I suppose you think you can get away with such drivel. Seeing as how it is your topic, I suppose that you can!  "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric writes: So if you throw away the book, what God would you have? I take it you obviously believe none of the religious dogma is real. Were you to pretend to be a believer, what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ/ It's just a book.Not even a coherent and planned book, but rather a random collection of ancient writings followed by a random collection of classical writings. Does He give away free toasters with every heavenly account? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Thats where that religious studies and eastern mumbo jumbo warped your concept of God. The Bible clearly says many times that God is good. Not complete. The Creator may have created good and evil but He does not embody it. But you never liked the apologists anyway so go read some esoteric description of a Monistic God and dream on about personal responsibility as an 8 fold path. If there is a GOD, and I believe there is one, that entity would have to be complete."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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The early church believed it and they were the ones who knew Jesus personally. An interesting side bit: There are many serious believers who are now fleeing the Ukraine--giving everything up to flee the evil from the autocratic Putin. I will agree with you that few American Christians could handle such a situation without questioning or even losing their faith.
I't's what's holding everybody back. If you keep anything back, even one of your two mites, you're rejecting Jesus' promise to take care of you. I wont disagree with you. It still puzzles me though why God uses a Canadian skeptic who is nearly an atheist due to lack of evidence (in his own mind) though I will agree that your heart is in the right place. My hope is that the church gets stronger even as the persecution of humanity increases.
Remember, in the early church, all goods were owned in common by the members. I guess what holds me back is that I don't trust every single person in the church. Too many freeloaders would sign up just to get fed and sheltered. Why must Christians support the whole world when we ourselves don't have much? Oh, wait...I think I know your reply:
...you're rejecting Jesus' promise to take care of you.
*sigh*...then why the heck don't *you* give everything up and join us? It's not fair to see you all warm and comfy in your house while refugees pass you by! Unless of course you now live at the library!
Why does that bother you when I've explained it to you a dozen times? If there is no hook, why would I be on it? and if you believe there is a hook, why wouldn't you be on it? Double standard. And yes, it annoys me. I've got to work on that flaw.
Evidence is the ONLY thing that determines reality. Period. My prayer, then is that there will be enough evidence for you to quit holding back hoping for a secular humanist miracle in an otherwise fallen world.
You keep lying, claiming that I am trying to avoid accountability. Stop it. I'm trying. I just don't like the idea that you are winning this argument without being persuaded to obey Jesus. I guess I had better worry about myself, however! And then you come back every few days with the same old, same old attempt to avoid what Jesus told you to do. Stop it. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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we need to do an exorcism on you today. Your anti-theist demon is gleefully mocking the Spirit with a feisty ornery spirit of his own. Stop by the Cathedral and we have an extra gallon of holy water with which to scrub you. You need to bring no alms. We consider it a public service.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Now you know better than that.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
16 tear-old fantasies don't count. You may well have become an anti theist when the demons tricked you into seeing Elohim as the bad guy, but you had neither the mental capacity nor the spiritual "knowledge built up from your fantasy reading to accomplish such a feat. Good try though.
Looks like we may need to ambush you with the holy water. or perhaps we could disguise it and simply encourage you to drink it. Where is our squirrelly little Mr.Deity when we need him?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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