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Message 467 of 589 (892448)
03-07-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Michael MD
03-07-2022 9:49 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To encapsulate the fundamental basis of this Ether Model differently, and maybe more concisely and clearly.
Really? Do you really think that was more concise and clear?
Transition from a first world, consisting of elemental-units reciprocally oscillating
to a second "ether world," consisting of elemental units independently vibrating, and interacting via contact vibration, produced an etheric "second world," via first-causal processes occurring randomly.
Then, from partly-quantized "islands" that appeared inside this "second" world, a designed creational process was done, that involved projecting quantum electrons through the ether, which caused a self-sustained chain-reactional process in the ether. This was what generated the protons and atoms that make up the world we are in now. (The primary process in this involved ambient ether units reacting to the transit of the electrons, with larger and larger units being generated according to the process described in my recent posts.
What the heck is a designed creational process?

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 470 of 589 (892472)
03-08-2022 1:38 AM
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03-08-2022 1:08 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
In a designed creational process, a world like ours, made up of replicated, and atomically organized, systems, would be due not to a Big Bang and other random-chance cosmic processes, as is now accepted, but rather it has to be the result of creational design
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So, a designed creational process was the result of creational design? Nifty!
How do you explain cosmic expansion?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 474 of 589 (892529)
03-09-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Michael MD
03-09-2022 9:56 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Since my basic ether model hasn't gotten much consideration in Science, I try to avoid extending it to cosmic theory.
Well, you brought up the Big Bang. You haven't shown us any science so far, so it all seems to be fantasy.
But the way my Model would address the observation of accelerated recession of the most-distant celestial bodies would be that it represents our universe getting ever-closer to another (created) universe, whose gravitational pull on this universe's outermost bodies is producing what appears to be an expansion.
So, more fantasy, but no observations. Maybe the Webb telescope will be able to see your other (created) universe.
The creational idea behind this design would be that one universe (ours) is losing internal energy, which increases the effect on it from outside energies.
Sorry, I don't see the connection between the creational design and our Universe losing internal energy. How do you propose our Universe loses energy? Is it like a tire losing air? Are you saying it was designed to lose energy? And what effect is there from outside energies? What form is this energy?
(Galaxies have been observed colliding with each other.) -The beneficial part of this is that the younger cluster's energy re-vitalizes the "tired" cluster.
I don't see how galaxy collisions relates to anything else you have said. And then you switch to clusters, do you mean galaxy clusters?
Beneficial and re-vitalizes seem like odd terms to use to describe physical processes (it sounds more like you're describing health food), and how can you tell which "cluster" is younger and which "cluster" is "tired?" What form does this transferred energy take?
ABE:
Since my basic ether model hasn't gotten much consideration in Science
You know, you really haven't given science anything to work with, have you?
There just isn't anything in your ether model for science to even start to investigate, surely you must see that.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 477 of 589 (892649)
03-11-2022 11:27 AM
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03-11-2022 10:16 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Most of your criticisms stem from the scientific viewpoint of consensus quantum physics.
No, my criticisms stem for the lack of clarity in your descriptions. I asked you some pretty specific questions hoping you would clarify what you are talking about. Could you at least try and take them one at a time and just answer them. Isn't that why you are posting here, to explain your hypothesis?
I was actually trying to get you to define some of the terms you used, like clusters. Do you know what a galaxy cluster is? Is that what you meant?
I am asking you specific questions, hoping you can clarify what you meant.
Tanypteryx writes:
Michael MD writes:
The creational idea behind this design would be that one universe (ours) is losing internal energy, which increases the effect on it from outside energies.
Sorry, I don't see the connection between the creational design and our Universe losing internal energy. 1) How do you propose our Universe loses energy? 2) Is it like a tire losing air? 3) Are you saying it was designed to lose energy? 4) And what effect is there from outside energies? 5) What form is this energy?
Tanypteryx writes:
Michael MD writes:
(Galaxies have been observed colliding with each other.) -The beneficial part of this is that the younger cluster's energy re-vitalizes the "tired" cluster.
I don't see how galaxy collisions relates to anything else you have said. 6) And then you switch to clusters, do you mean galaxy clusters?
7) And how can you tell which "cluster" is younger and which "cluster" is "tired?" 8) What form does this transferred energy take?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 482 of 589 (892706)
03-12-2022 2:22 PM
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03-12-2022 1:55 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Wait, wait, wait, we can do this.
I have some induction coils, and some huge lenses from an old map plotting table, and some laser pointers and some old motherboards. I mean, what more do we really need...oh yeah a digital LED read-out for the random number generator, when it reaches 1 million we will know we are seeing ether. I have a parabolic dish too, if we need one.
Has anyone got some solder?
ABE: Wow, I just realized that if we crossthread the magnetic fields with a sub-quantum erector we could use the ether as a communications medium!!
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 485 of 589 (892711)
03-12-2022 2:28 PM
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03-12-2022 2:25 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Cool, this is coming together nicely!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 486 of 589 (892712)
03-12-2022 2:29 PM
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03-12-2022 2:28 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Jacob's ladders were mesmerizing!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 501 of 589 (893210)
04-01-2022 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 497 by Michael MD
04-01-2022 12:22 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Presently accepted quantum theory dismisses the existence of ether, which changes everything around, with respect to the ether model, in fundamental ways.
No, you just made that up.
Presently accepted quantum theory never mentions the existence of ether. Or chocolate cake, and every quantum physicist knows chocolate cake exists.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 504 of 589 (893274)
04-02-2022 4:28 PM
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04-01-2022 9:27 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
If you check back a few pages in this thread, you will see a discussion, wherein I claim to have done original codebreaking work on putatively-otherworldly sets of codes in a historical Document, and that that was the source of the Ether Model. I don't claim it came out of my own head, although there have been instances where I have inserted comparatively minor additional ideas of my own, the basic Model isn't my own. (An otherworldly source could have access to occult information about the world that we lack, as comparative newcomers, learning things.)
This is the most, best explanation in this thread of how your head works. Now I understand!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 506 of 589 (893298)
04-03-2022 12:58 PM
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04-03-2022 7:12 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Of course, the main reason for the disconnect between the two theoretic models is that standard physics theory claims an ether does not exist
I think you are mistaken. There is a clear distinction between not even mentioning ether and claiming ether does not exist.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 509 of 589 (893374)
04-09-2022 9:34 AM
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04-03-2022 7:12 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
That's my Model's basic version of how quantum force-units arose and continue to arise. -One can contrast the rationale of this version with the standard version in physics, of a "Big Bang," followed by the appearance of atoms and "mass."
There are quite a few well known gaps in our knowledge of physics of the Universe, but you never suggest your ether as the solution to any of them. You never show any reason to suspect that any aspect of physics would be clearer with ether.
Yesterday I saw an article about new more precise measurement of the mass of the W Boson. Particle Physics Shock: Most Precise Ever Measurement of W Boson Mass Differs From Standard Model Prediction
Can your ether model correct this problem? Or any problem known to physics?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 511 of 589 (893385)
04-09-2022 12:53 PM
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04-09-2022 11:26 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Michael MD writes:
Your question about specific properties the Higgs boson has, does not enter into my Ether Model.
Message 509
Tanypteryx writes:
Yesterday I saw an article about new more precise measurement of the mass of the W Boson. Particle Physics Shock: Most Precise Ever Measurement of W Boson Mass Differs From Standard Model Prediction
Mike writes:
In my Model, the key units forming atoms during Creation of our quantum world were electrons and protons.
OK, no ether at this stage.
Mike writes:
Creation of our world, then, was done from a partly-quantized, partly etheric, creational "base" within a macrocosm, an "ether world," that preceded it... ... by creationally passing electrons from that "base" through the ether. (The base had become partly-quantized, fortuitously, by virtue of the fact that the radiations of ether units in the area of the base happened to be especially linear).
Can you describe what happens when something becomes partly-quantized?
Mike writes:
creationally passing electrons from that "base" through the ether.
I am not familiar with the term creationally, can you please explain what it means?
Mike writes:
radiations of ether units in the area of the base happened to be especially linear
Are these electromagnetic radiations? What wave lengths? Linear relative to what?
Mike writes:
Then a creational Entity projected quantum electrons, through the ether, to produce a quantum universe,
Wait, what creational Entity? Projected "quantum" electrons, with what, an electron gun like in a cathode ray tube?
Mike writes:
the advantage of such a universe, compared to an ether world, being that things would become more magnetically stable, than with the ether macrocosm.
What makes magnetic stability advantageous? Can you describe this magnetic stability?
Mike writes:
As the electrons passed through the ether, the units of the ether underwent a shift toward the formation of quantum units - protons - in reaction to the negative charge of the speeding electrons.
I wonder why they never noticed this effect at in any of the collider experiments?
Mike writes:
This took place as a self-sustained chain-reaction, throughout this region of the ether, which had been creationally programmed.
Creationally programmed how and by who? There's that word creationally again.
Mike writes:
With this model, various units like muons, bosons, and others, that physicists have discovered using accelerators and colliders, are not importantly relevant. They just happen to be what has been left over, once atoms have been forcibly smashed.
Nice to see you using science to sweep a a whole field of physics into the dustbin.
quote:
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens
(I didn't discuss neutrons together with the creational model of electrons and protons, because it would be beyond the present theoretical vista, in terms of current quantum theory. (Neutrons have been found to exist, as such, only inside atoms. Outside of the atom, they decay into a proton, electron, and an antineutron. This area of theory is not for me to discuss
Hmmm, I would say this is actually where you should be directing observation, if you ever want to detect ether.
Mike writes:
Going back to another post of mine in this thread, I did discuss how my ether model would view the question of cosmic muons. Muons have been observed bombarding, and penetrating into, earth. -Physics currently attributes these muons to "particle interactions" as cosmic rays hit the outer layers of earth's stratosphere. -With my ether model, however, the source of such muons would more likely be as a kind of "stardust" component in space which arise from vast cosmic collisions, strong enough to split atoms of the cosmic bodies involved, with the muons being one prominent by-product.
I had not considered the "stardust" component before.
Mike writes:
(The concept of the electron/photon unit having been the key unit in the creation of our quantum universe is consistent with the observation that its velocity (speed of light) is the highest speed limit in the universe.)
Is this part of the whole E=MC^2 thing?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 513 of 589 (893391)
04-09-2022 4:13 PM
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04-09-2022 4:10 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
At least he's not talking about neutrons!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 515 of 589 (893413)
04-11-2022 2:01 PM
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04-11-2022 8:33 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
I'm going to pick one at random:
4. Why is our quantum world more "magnetically stable" than the preceding ether world? - That would be because things in our world are quantally-structured, so their structural stability depends on quantum units and atoms. -In an ether world, one can imagine how the higher degree of ethereality would confer less magnetic stability.
OK, my question was actually:
Tanypteryx writes:
Mike writes:
the advantage of such a universe, compared to an ether world, being that things would become more magnetically stable, than with the ether macrocosm.
What makes magnetic stability advantageous?
Why is it advantageous? Magnetic instability would seem to be more obvious when you look at our Universe.
You are just talking in circles without explaining anything so someone can understand. Mentally beaming electrons...really?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 520 of 589 (893441)
04-13-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Michael MD
04-13-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
This Thread is An Ether Based Creation Model. If that's not serious, what is?
Well, after all these posts we still have no clue how physics would be expanded to include your ether.
It doesn't seem to answer a single one of the questions physics is trying to answer.
We have known gaps in our knowledge, but your ether does not fit any of the known gaps.
You cannot point to a single anomalous observation that is a clue to your ether.
Your ether is just as imaginary as mentally beaming electrons.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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