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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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So MrIntelligentDesign is no longer suspended.
Perhaps he will show up here again. Or perhaps he won't. I don't think it makes much difference. He has clearly shown that he has no real argument.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I hope MrID does rise again. I would seriously ask he show us how. How do you tell the difference in living vs non-living, intelligent vs non-intelligent using IDv2
I don't think he understands that his 'publications' are not helpful because we cannot understand the syntax or the processes. He didn't write those so good. I would like him to walk us through an example, where to start, what numbers to use, what methodology. Maybe he can show us how his IDv2 improves over science. Right. Still, I'd like to ask.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I did happen to see him in the "online now" list last night a couple hours before his suspension ended, but nothing since then.
And of course he hasn't posted any kind of response either. He's probably creating yet another say-nothing gibberish "article" in order to avoid any discussion in which he would have to support his "position".
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Hope springs eternal...
I would like him to walk us through an example, where to start, what numbers to use, what methodology. Maybe he can show us how his IDv2 improves over science. I think we have already seen his best work.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Maybe he can show us how his IDv2 improves over science. I've returned to preparing my questions of that, though my approach is to learn how his "new ID" is supposed to address and correct the problems with the "old ID". Here is the opening section in my draft:
DWise1's_draft writes: AZPaul3 in his Message 152:
AZPaul3 writes: I want to know about your new ID v 2. You got any ID? Show me your ID. MrID really needs to present his "new ID", especially if it's supposed to replace the "old ID." I mean, if there was nothing wrong with the old ID, then why replace it with a "new" ID? Obviously MrID must think (if I may use that term so loosely) that there's something wrong -- or at least deficient -- about the "old" ID that it needs to be replaced.
So then just what does MrID think is wrong with the "old ID?" What does he identify as its problems? And just how is his "new" ID supposed to correct those problems? I'll follow that with a list in HTML's Definition List format of a few of the many well-known problems with ID including a <DD> discussion section. Those problems include:
So I want to know how MrID's "new ID" is supposed to address those central problems with the "old ID". What he has presented so far is that the only change in his "new ID" is that he replaced the made-up meaningless "magic words" of "old ID" with his own set of made-up meaningless "magic words", such that his "new ID" ends up being just as meaningless as the "old ID", if not more so. In another discussion which I already presented to xongsmith in Message 78 but in which I have tried to engage MrID, as we go through the natural processes of biological evolution, each step of which will take place even without any external intelligence's intervention, where exactly he would claim that that external intelligent intervention would be necessary and why. I see none necessary, but if he sees such a necessity then he needs to explain that. And of course in order to do that then he would need to know how evolution works (hence my repeated questions to him on that matter). Repeating that discussion from Message 78 redone here as a list:
So far, I have not seen any evidence of MrID ever addressing that fundamental question of where and why an external intelligence would be needed in the normal operation of evolution. Instead, we only see quasi-philosphical assertions; eg, he proclaims that word "modification" in "descent with modification" requires by the very definition of the word the intentional actions of an intelligent agent (eg, page 13). Yeah, his arguments do actually get that incredibly stupid. MrID has lots to explain. Edited by dwise1, : added initial qs block for context
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
Here are some answers:
1. New ID vs old The new ID uses intelligence and non-intelligence. As you can see, the new knew the two opposite extreme, which means,the new could categorize all X. The old ID uses complex from Darwin, thus, wrong. Thus, in all Xs that should be categorized for origins, the new 2. Regarding posts about Evolution. Evolution is not part of biological world or reality since the biological cell is importantly, intelligently designed.Thus, you don't need external forces since the system that will produce all parts are intelligently designed, the cell. Thus, in summary, Evolution never happens in biologicals world since Evolution uses non-intelligence..
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
Here are some answers:
1. Living vs Non- Living is when a physical body has life, or like electric current of a toy. If a toy has no electric current, then, it is dead.This is undeniable when a dog dies. The dog has physical body but has no life (electric current). Thus, in Biological Interrelation, all physical bodies are just the defense systems (like nervous system, etc) of life. 2. Intelligent vs non- intelligence = problem-solution-solution. (max limit is 3)non-intelligence = problem-solution (max limit is 1) Thus, it predicts that if all living organisms is not-intelligently designed, it has no defense mechanism. Thus, evolution is wrong.
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
Oh sorry.
It is hard to discuss when you have to educate your opponent first, and then, discuss, thus, I always share the link so that those who wanted to discuss with me, at least, knew their opponents' arguments. It makes the discussion shorter and fruitful. Sorry for that since I never thought of spamming. But thank you.
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
What is evolution? Simply put, evolution is non-intentional change in biological world.
Now, let us explain the theory: Evolution theory is a non-intentional change in biological world that will lead to new species, to origin of species. But, since life uses intelligence,Thus, evolution is wrong.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Living is when a physical body has life, or like electric current of a toy. If a toy has no electric current, then, it is dead. This is undeniable when a dog dies. The dog has physical body but has no life (electric current). I see absolutely no use of IDv2 in your answer. You're saying something that is alive is alive. So tell us something we don't already know. Where does your IDv2 come into play here?
intelligence = problem-solution-solution. (max limit is 3) non-intelligence = problem-solution (max limit is 1) I saw this in your paper. It means nothing to me. What are these numbers? You don't tell us how these relate. Where from? Justify. What does "problem-solution-solution" mean? I need detailed explanations of what these refer to and how you justified these meanings. So, I have a something. How do I use your new IDv2 to tell if it was created or not? How do I use your new IDv2 to tell me if this is intelligent or not? Where do I start? What is the first step in IDv2 to answering the question? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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MrIntelligentDesign Member (Idle past 338 days) Posts: 248 Joined: |
1. About Life
In forming replacement for Evolution in Biology, I had to go back to basic in reality. Thus, the new ID needs that info in life as electric current. 2. About intelligence.. it is too long.. here is the summary: The New Intelligent Design <id> and Its Powerful Correct Scientific Explanations. | Zenodo If you did not get it, then, I cannot help you.I cannot spoon-fed...
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
If you cannot teach then you do not know. Your IDv2 is nothing until you can explain it, spoon feed it, to the rest of us.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Again, I’ve got this thing. How do I tell using you new IDv2 if it is created or natural?
What is the first step? There has to be an initial step in any process. What is yours? It really is a simple question. Thing … created or natural? What is IDv2’s first move? You do know the answer to this question, don't you? You did invent this stuff, right? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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What's the matter with you? He already told you, life is like an electric toy. Sheesh!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
I thought that statement might spark your interest.
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