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Percy
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Message 406 of 1124 (892963)
03-20-2022 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by jar
03-20-2022 7:54 AM


Re: Wash Post: White supremacists - worldwide - traveling to join Ukrainian forces
jar writes:
Please provide the link to the Washington Post article that is titled "White supremacists - worldwide - traveling to join Ukrainian forces".
I have a subscription to the Washington Post. I could find no such article using their search facility and supplying it with a variety of combinations of those search terms, including both singular and plural forms. The term Azov is mentioned only once, when referring to the Sea of Azov. Rita Katz appears to be only an occasional contributor.
But the Washington Post's search facility must be seriously flawed, because it proved unable to find articles even in today's paper. Using Google I was able to find this article by Rita Katz: Neo-Nazis are exploiting Russia’s war in Ukraine for their own purposes. It's an opinion piece. It says in part:
quote:
The would-be militants have been recruited by groups like the Azov Battalion, a far-right nationalist Ukrainian paramilitary and political movement. Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian national guard in 2014 and has been a basis for Putin’s false claim that Ukraine’s government is run by neo-Nazis. Though Azov remains a fringe movement in Ukraine, it is a larger-than-life brand among many extremists. It has openly welcomed Westerners into its ranks via white-supremacist sites. Azov stickers and patches have been seen around the globe: from a bookbag at a July 2020 neo-Nazi counterprotest in Tennessee to the motorcycle of an attempted mosque bomber in Italy.
My guess as to the reason LNA was unable to provide a link is that he doesn't have one. He probably read something online about the Washington Post article. Unless he has a Washington Post subscription he's unable to actually read the article itself.
If anyone's interested I don't mind posting the text of the entire article. WaPo owes me one (several, in fact) for halting a dialog I'd invested some time in pointing out bugs in their web presence.
--Percy

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Message 407 of 1124 (892964)
03-20-2022 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
03-20-2022 9:56 AM


Re: Nuke the Ukes!
Phat writes:
No use accelerating climate change.
Which by the way is the secular armageddon I mention. People will fight for diminishing resources orrrrrr we will become a one-world global (UN 3.0?) government...
So, climate change is the secular armageddon you have been mentioning? Why not just say climate change? When I asked you specifically what you meant I got nothing, but now it's climate change.
People are already fighting over diminishing resources rather than cooperating to find solutions. Based on watching the U.S. tear itself apart we can't even keep a single country together, let alone a one world global government.
Government is the tool we have used to keep civilization functioning, but when the majority of humans intentionally sabotage it, civilization fails.
Do you humanist optimists see any better solutions?
I don't know who the humanist optimists are and that is not how I have ever thought of myself, but yes I do see many better solutions.
Isn't it you guys who like mandatory resolutions if they save the planet?
What mandatory resolutions are you talking about? Enforced by who?
I personally think we are far passed the point of saving the planet. There are 8 billion humans and dwindling resources and collapsing ecosystems all due to human behavior. This cannot be fixed.
I say we need Jesus.
I know. Head in the sand.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 408 of 1124 (892965)
03-20-2022 1:40 PM


The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
It is why the global Neo Nazi membership is rushing to join Ukraine's murderous forces to kill Roma and Jewish human beings.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Russia is defending the minority groups. SAME THING.
Ukraine has a nation & especially a military with powerful Neo Nazi divisions. SAME THING as old.
The NEW thing is that Ukraine is the last government on earth to have a Neo Nazi military.
The majority government of South Africa (the progressive African National Congress party) condemned the "unprecedented disinformation" coming from the western nations & the western press.
I will in no way support a bunch of murderous fascists.
The NAZI elements, of the Ukranian military, must be purged.
They are murderous thugs who are attracting every militant Alt Right racist in the entire Western world.
"We think Globally" was the statement of the Ukrainian Nazi National Guard Battalion Secretary. Ukraine says, get militantly involved to fight against Russia - all you white supremacists.
I support Russian efforts to remove the murderous "Nazis" from Ukraine.
DeNazification!
The whole non-white world stands against Neo Nazi fascism.

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Message 409 of 1124 (892966)
03-20-2022 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by LamarkNewAge
03-20-2022 1:40 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
You're a liar.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 410 of 1124 (892967)
03-20-2022 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by AZPaul3
03-20-2022 1:50 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
I offered an FBI Special Agent quote earlier.
I repeatedly quoted the Secretary of the Ukranian National Guard Battalion.
That was during the preparation phase, years ago.
Now the global white supremacist militant movement is headed to Ukraine, to join the Neo Nazi Ukranian military guard.
That is the side the western powers support.
Humanity deserves a fighting side, also.
(Why should the white fascist side have its way in killing Jews, Roma, and ethnic Russians?)
(Why should the white supremacy western impetalists have a monopoly on force?)
Those of us who love humanity, in all of its varieties, deserve a chance.
Russia is all we seem to have going for us.
Russia says the Nazi forces will no longer be a part of Ukraine when the shots stop firing.
(The Alt Right is going to go to Ukraine, and die in Ukraine)
To Ukraine, with hate, goes the Alt-Right.
From Russia, comes bullets marked with the segregationist's western names.
The Ukranian military dips its bullets on pig fat to insult the Russian Muslims & Jewish individuals in the Russian military.
Russia understands that nothing is too gross for the Alt Right Neo Nazis. I say, just shoot the murderous fascists fighting in Ukraine. Then piss on their heads. Dont pee on the bullets you kill that anti-Semitic fascists with. Kill the fascists, then piss on them.

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AZPaul3
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Message 411 of 1124 (892968)
03-20-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by LamarkNewAge
03-20-2022 1:40 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
You echo the party line very well.
The Lies Putin Tells to Justify Russia’s War on Ukraine - The New York Times
quote:
Using a barrage of increasingly outlandish falsehoods, President Vladimir V. Putin has created an alternative reality, one in which Russia is at war not with Ukraine but with a larger, more pernicious enemy in the West. Even since the war began, the lies have gotten more and more bizarre, transforming from claims that “true sovereignty” for Ukraine was possible only under Russia, made before the attacks, to those about migratory birds carrying bioweapons.
You are a liar. You are a russian disinformation mole.
And for supporting this bloody tragedy, you are an abhorrent human being who should be maligned and castigated by society.
You have become scum.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 412 of 1124 (892969)
03-20-2022 2:45 PM


No comment necessary.

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Message 413 of 1124 (892970)
03-20-2022 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 411 by AZPaul3
03-20-2022 2:28 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
Ukraine has been infiltrated by powerful western intelligence agencie operations.
The 4th President of Ukraine (2010-2014) has said as much.
He blames (his native) Ukraine's government for this war.
He was a man of peace who wanted to unify Ukranians "who fought on different sides" of World War 2.
He wanted peace between Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine.
Ukranians have been murdered by fascist thugs supported by western intelligence agencies and the western powers.
It is sad.
Very sad.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 414 of 1124 (892971)
03-20-2022 2:50 PM
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03-20-2022 2:46 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
Viktor Yanukovych was ousted, in 2014, by a CIA backed coup.
A poster here, from eastern Europe (Frakko) said as much.
I already said so.
The 4th President of Ukraine blames his native country for this current war.

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AZPaul3
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Message 415 of 1124 (892972)
03-20-2022 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by LamarkNewAge
03-20-2022 2:46 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
And you are still a liar and fucking idiot.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 416 of 1124 (892973)
03-20-2022 3:03 PM
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03-20-2022 2:52 PM


Re: The Ukranian military is the Mothership of the Alt-Right.
I called you a fascist, did I not?
If it quacks like a fuck...
(Therefore, honest)

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Message 417 of 1124 (892974)
03-20-2022 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by LamarkNewAge
03-20-2022 3:03 PM


Russian Troll Lies As Trained
You are a compulsive liar.
The Truth Behind Pathological and Compulsive Liars | Everyday Health
Seek medical attention.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 418 of 1124 (892976)
03-20-2022 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by AZPaul3
03-20-2022 3:09 PM


International Fascism wants Azov Battalion and the Alt-Right to remain standing
Simply calling the Pro Ukraine side "fascist" is a considerable understatement.
The Ukranian Nation Guard's Azov Battalion is extremely vocal about its strong white supremacist racial views.
Russia poses an existential threat to the last bastion of Neo Nazi power - the Ukranian military.
Among militant white supremacists, there is a well-documented worldwide rush to join Ukraine's fight to preserve Neo Nazis and their ability to continue to kill civilians.
As Peet Seeger once asked, "What side are you on?"
2 choices:
Internationsl Fascism?
Russia?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 419 of 1124 (892977)
03-20-2022 4:18 PM


Respected Rating Group poll (Mar 18) shows only 44% of Ukranians support joining NATO
Typically, the Rating Group polls involve calling 1000 people in all of Ukraine, excluding the eastern areas such as Crimea, Donetsk, etc.
42% of Ukraine opposes NATO membership, but supports "continuing cooperation".
Polls have shown an extremely anti-Russian reaction, lately, on the part of those polled.
So this is clearly further evidence that Ukranian adults agree with Russia and their own President that Ukraine will not join NATO.
Russia recently announced that Ukraine is compromising on NATO, but the demand for removal of Neo Nazis is not maki g much progress.

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Message 420 of 1124 (892978)
03-20-2022 4:59 PM
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03-20-2022 3:46 PM


Russian Troll Lies As Trained
Liar.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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