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Phat
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Message 346 of 1124 (892892)
03-17-2022 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by Tanypteryx
03-15-2022 5:59 PM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
Trump is itching to become a Western Leader again. I see echos of civil war here, skyhigh inflation, and a bunch of ignorant populists poised to vote for him.
And you guys dont think I am sane when I see either a secular armageddon or a sacred armageddon.
Only God can help us. (or a charismatic global leader who can charm secular humanists the way that Trump charms Populists) which would be the anti-christ.
I think that Biden is doing a decent job to keep us out of this war so far, but I fear that Putin wont stop. Which will lead to skyhigh prices. Which will lead to God knows what.

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Message 347 of 1124 (892893)
03-17-2022 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by AZPaul3
03-16-2022 9:10 PM


Re: Nuke the Ukes!
Nothing. I say now, though, that our first priority is to keep Trump out of it. Even if Americans do suffer. I really worry about World War III the more that I read. Unless Putin is right and his own "5th column" takes him out. Isn't it odd how Tzar Vladimir the Condemned sees the obvious and warns Russians to repel it?(see video below) Let's hope that Russia is as ready for democracy as Ukraine was. If the 5th column wins, we may actually get rid of Russias Nukes and a few of our own.
Edited by Phat, : numerous punctuation errors. I need my coffee

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H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 348 of 1124 (892894)
03-17-2022 11:35 AM
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03-17-2022 11:20 AM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
And you guys dont think I am sane when I see either a secular armageddon or a sacred armageddon.
This doesn't clarify anything. What the hell is a secular armageddon? What the hell is a sacred armageddon?
Which will lead to skyhigh prices.
Yeah, that's the worst part of global war, the high prices.
And STOP POSTING THOSE STUPID VIDEOS!

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Message 349 of 1124 (892895)
03-17-2022 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 339 by jar
03-15-2022 4:00 PM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
jar writes:
#TzarVladimirTheCondemned can not even change US gas prices.
What we must understand, however, is that NATO sanctions are only now ramping up against Russian Energy. Inflation is changing US Gas Prices. And the Fed has no tool that will work against it.

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“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 350 of 1124 (892896)
03-17-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
03-17-2022 11:20 AM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
Phat writes:
Trump is itching to become a Western Leader again.
I doubt that. He likes the attention but he doesn't like people constantly wanting him to do things.
Phat writes:
And you guys dont think I am sane when I see either a secular armageddon or a sacred armageddon.
Well, you never tell us why these things might happen - i.e. you have no rationale for your fears. Try to think rationally.
Phat writes:
Only God can help us.
But that has never been His plan. Noah had to build his own ark.
Phat writes:
... I fear that Putin wont stop.
I think he's itching to find a way out of the mess he's created. He can't show weakness because the other gangsters will stomp him but he can't "win" this war either, not in any real sense.
My guess is that he'll pull the same trick as Trump and say, "Well, I accomplished what I wanted to do," (built a wall, made America great again, stopped the Nazis in Ukraine) and try to quietly fade away.
(I'm waiting to see what monster raving looney our Canadian Conservative party chooses for its leader-of-the month. So far, it looks like a "race" between a Trump wannabe, a has-been and at least one never-was.)

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Message 351 of 1124 (892897)
03-17-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Phat
03-17-2022 11:36 AM


learn the basics Phat and throw away ALL of the apologists and conmen
Phat writes:
Inflation is changing US Gas Prices. And the Fed has no tool that will work against it.
Bullshit Phat.
Learn the basics.
The US gets less than 8% of it's oil from Russia and the US exports many times more oil than that every year.
Inflation is NOT changing the US gas prices, only greed and the utter stupidity of people like you is changing the gas prices.
And the Fed has many tools to deal with inflation which for the foreseeable future is only an issue for the utter stupid of people like you.
Were you alive in the 1980s Phat?
What was the Armageddon when we were seeing inflation rates over 10% a year?
Stop watching stupid videos produced only to con stupid people.
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Message 352 of 1124 (892899)
03-17-2022 5:10 PM
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03-17-2022 11:59 AM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
Phat writes:
Trump is itching to become a Western Leader again.
I doubt that. He likes the attention but he doesn't like people constantly wanting him to do things.
Of course, Phat's statement begs the question of whether Trump has ever deserved being considered a leader, especially since he was doing the bidding of his master, Putin. The general staff of the German Army said of their Kaiser Wilhelm II, arguably an eerily prescient pre-saging of Trump, that he couldn’t lead three soldiers over a gutter, but even there Kaiser Bill's leadership skills far outshone Trump's.
But besides Trump's pathological need for constant attention and ego fluffing, Trump's "running" for the Presidency is motivated by two very important factors:
  1. Trump's desperate need for protection from facing the consequenced for his many criminal activities. Which is to say that his loss of protection under that now-infamous OLC (Office of Legal Counsel) memo has him terrified (A Sitting President 's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal Prosecution, 24 Op. O.L.C. 222, 222, 260 (2000) (OLC Op.).). From Volume II, Page 1, Section "INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME II" of the Mueller Report:
    quote:
    First ... The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that "the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions" in violation of "the constitutional separation of powers."
    ...
    3 OLC Op. at 257 n.36 ("A grand jury could continue to gather evidence throughout the period of immunity").
    4 OLC Op. at 255 ("Recognizing an immunity from prosecution for a sitting President would not preclude such prosecution once the President's term is over or he is otherwise removed from office by resignation or impeachment").
    Mueller cited that OLC memo as the reason why he could not seek Trump's indictment for his many acts of obstruction in the investigation, ten of which he detailed in Volume II of the report. He hinted to Congress that they are the ones empowered to take action on that report, presumably by impeaching Trump for obstruction of justice, but instead Congress impeached Trump for extorting President Zelenskyy for personal political gain.
    Historical note: That OLC memo was one of two memos in response to two questions from Pres. Nixon. VP Agnew had just resigned immediately before being arrested for corruption (he had been informed of his imminent arrest and resigned in order to not taint the office of VP). Also having been involved in that bribe-taking, Nixon asked the OLC whether a sitting president could be indicted or prosecuted. The OLC counseled no. Nixon also asked whether he could pardon himself. The OLC counseled no, since he'd be acting as his own judge which is impermissible. Please note that one of Trump's first questions in office was whether he could pardon himself, which proved that at least on rare occasions Trump was indeed able to plan ahead.
    While in office Trump abused that OLC memo constantly to avoid the consequences of his persistent criminal activity. Now he no longer has that protection and he misses it sorely. He wants to have that protection again, so if he could regain the Presidency he would love for that to happen.
  2. Trump wants to milk his cash cows for as long as he possibly can. Even during the 2016 campaign, even the most casual observer could clearly see that Trump was using his campaign to enrich himself. Campaign contributions went to leasing office space in Trump properties, paying Trump-run caterers and other services, etc. That included "office spaces" in abandoned Trump properties that nobody ever went to. Those campaign contributions also served as conduits for bribes paid to Trump; several of the appointments he made were for large contributors (eg, Gordon Sondland whose $1 million campaign contribution bought him the ambassadorship to the EU, which involved him in the Trump–Ukraine scandal and required him to testify at the impeachment trial, which in turn resulted in Trump firing him two days after Trump's acquittal).
    We also observed that Trump registered for re-election at the soonest possible time so that he could keep his campaign cash cow lactating copiously for him. Keep that money flowing in. Keep open that money-laundering conduit for bribes. His hotels also served as conduits for bribes as special interest groups (eg, Saudi Arabia) would reserve large blocks of rooms at Trump's hotels and then not even use them (or else offer them as a huge freebie for veterans to come to Washington and demonstrate against legislation that the Saudis wanted to defeat). And we won't even cover here how Trump funneled millions of government dollars into his properties with his golf trips to his own resorts (for which we had to pay full price for his Secret Service entourage to be there), requiring military flights to overnight at his overseas properties, etc. Or how tens of millions of dollars are still unaccounted for from his Inaugural fund (last I heard). Or how a huge chunk of his $1 billion 2020 campaign fund mysteriously disappeared (though in this case it appears that he had been grifted by grifters that he had hired).
    Trump's "Stop the Steal" lie is being monetized through his America First PAC et alia -- ironically, stopping the steal is exactly what we were able to accomplish. But he's appealing to contributors to donate to their legal fund to fight the election results (what he falsely calls "stopping the steal"), plus I'm sure that they're contributing for his anticipated 2024 run (and now to buy him a new jet, etc) along with him supporting other Repugnians' mid-term runs. But the way that's set up only about 30% of money raised goes to the GOP and 70% goes to Trump to use however he sees fit including for personal purposes.
    Not only is that a huge cash cow for Trump, but only about 40% of the money received goes to its purposes. Every single charity or PAC bears a cost, overhead that must be paid before the remaining money can be used for the charity's work. You need to have a staff to handle the office work; eg, to print requests for donations, to stuff envelopes and mail them, to process incoming mail, to track donations, etc. I've heard the term "cost of funding", but it's also known by other terms. In normal charities that accounts for about 15% of all money donated, but it can creep up to 20% and still be valid. If the "cost of funding" get much higher, then that can be an indication of money being siphoned off; I heard of a nationwide charity whose "cost of funding" was 90% which just screams that it was a scam (I don't remember the name so I will not suggest what it could be). In the case of Trump's PAC, the "cost of funding" was given as 61%, which tells us that someone is siphoning away nearly half the donations without leaving a trace -- to borrow from the famous Kurt Weill song, "Could that someone be Don the Trump?".
So Trump's motivation to be President again is not to serve, since that would make him a sucker. Rather, he has three basic motivations:
  1. His need to have his ego constantly fluffed. Balance that with his aversion to being exposed as a loser.
  2. His need to escape prosecution for his lifetime filled with so very many crimes.
  3. His greed for all the money that he can grift out of suckers.
 
So will Trump actually run for President again? Only if he is absolutely assured of winning, since his fragile ego could not survive losing yet again.
Rather, I predict that he will lead his followers along as long as he possibly can, misleading them into believing that he is going to run until the last possible moment. We've seen him do that kind of thing before. And as long as his followers think that he will run, they will continue to send him money, so he will milk them, that cash cow, for all the money he possibly can.
Just the other day I saw an article where some group is suing Trump for not announcing his candidacy but rather leading his followers on.

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Phat
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Message 353 of 1124 (892901)
03-18-2022 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 351 by jar
03-17-2022 12:08 PM


Re: learn the basics Phat and throw away ALL of the apologists and conmen
You are the one who is ignorant this time, jar.
jar writes:
And the Fed has many tools to deal with inflation which for the foreseeable future is only an issue for the utter stupid of people like you.
Name the tools they have left.
Were you alive in the 1980s Phat?
I was born in 1959. I remember Jimmy Carter. I remember Ford and his WIN buttons. I also remember Fed Chairman Paul Volker and how it was only through raising interest rates to 20% that inflation was stopped. Try raising interest rates to even 5% now and watch what happens.
What was Armageddon when we were seeing inflation rates over 10% a year?
They measure inflation differently now. If the inflation we have now were measured the way it was measured then, our current inflation would approach 18-20%. As for Armageddon, 1980 was neither the time nor place in History for it. I have no idea when it will occur, but we are a lot closer now than we ever were then.
Have you watched the PBS FRONTLINE series about Tsar Vlad The Condemned? They laughed at Hitle too until he nearly wiped us all out. And now we again have the nuclear problem. And a meglomaniac dictator with the ability to use it.
One of the ways Putin wants to wipe us out is to make us suffer. Our land will fight itself with civil war from within. Hopefully, we can prove him wrong.
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H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 354 of 1124 (892903)
03-18-2022 6:23 AM
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03-18-2022 2:15 AM


Re: learn the basics Phat and throw away ALL of the apologists and conmen
Name the tools they have left.
Inflation is not simply price increases.
We live in a global world whether people care to recognize it or not. Everything affects everything else as far as price calculations (yes, the grand ol’ supply/demand curve writ large - with some post-Keynesian wrinkles). Increases/decreases in specific commodity prices mean nothing. Increases in the price of gas mean nothing, in rent prices, nothing, in the price of wheat mean nothing. Increases in the prices of all three, and everything else on the market (give or take), now we’re talking inflation.
Inflation is the upward pressure on prices broadly across the economy. The workings of the calculations are quite complex. The bean counters need to go through a bread basket of commodities giving weight to each one. For instance, increases in rent across a region is empirically known to have more impact on the flow of economic activity than the rise in the price of sugar. These types of decisions are made (argued over, academically, with studies galore as data) for dozens of items across a region then aggregated with other regions to achieve a national view.
Of course, over the decades the weights and measures will change. But not by no 20% crap. The object is to find out what’s happening in this overly chaotic economic system to the best of our ability. The expert consensus, unclouded as much as possible by the special pleading of politics, will allow us better use of our tools (monetary and fiscal) to try to nudge the economy into, what the eggheads perceive as, a more stabilized position. Capitalism at work.
This isn’t done in a vacuum. Every move the fed makes is analyzed, ripped apart and analyzed again. But we HAVE to trust SOMEBODY competent, as politically isolated as reasonable in a democracy, to decide which monetary levers to pull in which direction when. In the USofA, we chose the Federal Reserve. Specifically, the 12 member Federal Open Market Committee. Of course there has been and always will be controversy, but I don’t recall any instance when the reaction of the macroeconomic discipline had devolved into concentrated opposition at any fed action, ever.
If you’re a capitalist then you can be assured that, under such scrutiny from the Universities, banks and the myriad of competing interests, in general, the fed will probably get it right as far as theory is concerned. But these are deeply chaotic systems and sometimes reality rebels against theory. We’ll see.
Enough civics lesson.
Everyone is already aware what is happening in this world. From an uptick in demand as this society tries to shrug off covid and some related big social/political bumps, to war and further constrictions of the supply, inflation is an inevitable result. The result is a great big dose of actual bona fide inflation in every region of the nation and beyond. If you watch any of the finance/business shows you know they have been talking about this for months.
And the solutions have been known for months. The debate has been over when and how much. Now the fed is acting. Raising interest rates, selling bonds at lower rates (which, paradoxically, raises the yield of the bond in the market place … it’s complicated).
The only solution to inflation is to constrict the money supply.
Let me say that again for emphasis.
The only way to tame inflation in our modern post-Keynesian economic theories is to constrict the money supply available in the system. There are different ways to do that, decrease bond prices, increase interest rates.
The fed just took its first step. It will take more baby steps over this next year (some say 4 or 5 more increases). Fed funds rate is a merger 0.50% not the 21% like in the 80’s. We are at WSJ Prime rate of 3.25%. Not even close to the 25%+ of the 1980’s. We got a long way to go.
If it takes a fed rate of 20%, 30%, selling off a big chunk of our bonds to tame the money supply then modern economic theory says that is a long term good. Capitalism.
The fed has just starting using its hammer. Go small hits, getting bigger, slowly, until the money supply comes back into balance.
But monetary policy is a moderate-to-fine tune mechanism for an economy. The overriding stage has the most major impact. Stabilizing the political situation and avoiding a nuclear war would be the biggest help in taming your concerns about inflation.
I was born in 1959. I remember Jimmy Carter. I remember Ford and his WIN buttons. I also remember Fed Chairman Paul Volker and how it was only through raising interest rates to 20% that inflation was stopped.
As I recall we survived the 80's.
Try raising interest rates to even 5% now and watch what happens.
You may find out. More war, market disruption, another strain of covid. The future has many wonders to behold.
Yes, I do now recall quite distinctly. We did survive the 80's.
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Message 355 of 1124 (892904)
03-18-2022 7:28 AM


Torture
Just an observation on my part.
I note that the quick blitzkrieg into the Ukrainian people's hearts and souls having failed Tzar Vladimir the Condemned has now settled on a strategy of torture of the civilian population. Another Holodomor may be coming.
You go Vlad!
Straight to hell.

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Message 356 of 1124 (892905)
03-18-2022 8:13 AM
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Re: learn the basics Phat and throw away ALL of the apologists and conmen
Phat writes:
Our land will fight itself with civil war from within.
Again, learn the basics Phat.
The issue is not Putin but the fact that a vast number of US citizens, just like you, have decided to be willfully ignorant.
You continue to elect people that are financed by big business and so work directly for the rich and powerful.
Almost half of the US voted to make the government fascist. Many still see that as desirable.
It ain't Putin, the enemy is YOU.

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Message 357 of 1124 (892906)
03-18-2022 8:39 AM
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Re: learn the basics Phat and throw away ALL of the apologists and conmen
Not only did we survive the 80's, we survived the 60's and 70's that were far more violent, destructive and divisive.
AbE: The most immediate threat that the US of A faces right now is the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Deceit.
Edited by jar, : see AbE

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Message 358 of 1124 (892912)
03-18-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by AZPaul3
03-16-2022 9:10 PM


Re: Nuke the Ukes!
I don't feel as if the US government has decided whether it wants to save the Ukraine or just punish Putin. If the former or both, we're failing. If just the latter, we're succeeding but not in a way that will accomplish the former.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Message 359 of 1124 (892914)
03-18-2022 1:39 PM
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Re: Nuke the Ukes!
How could we save the Ukraine? Whether to punish Tzar Vladimir the Condemned or not, what could we possibly do to save Ukraine? What does that mean? What would it look like?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 360 of 1124 (892916)
03-18-2022 4:17 PM
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Re: Nuke the Ukes!
Those are good questions, but it feels to me that if we were trying to save Ukraine then we'd be doing more, like send fighter jets or put our own armed forces in harm's way. It's been argued that we're already trying to save Ukraine through sanctions against Russia and smaller armaments to Ukraine, but I don't believe those are sufficient myself.
I believe Ukraine will fall in another month or two if current aid levels remain the same, but there are many who believe Putin has bitten off more than he can chew. I hope they're right.
--Percy

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