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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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So the newest member at EvC ...
On the plus side, at least we can tell what this creationist is talking about. That's more than we can say for another recent poster.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I have started reading his report. I'm at page 13 (of 45)
I'll give some credit -- it is at least readable thus far. But I have not found any science. It appears to be all philosophy -- and not even good philosophy. Perhaps that will change as I continue to read, but I have my doubts about that.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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That subject line should probably be "Unholy crap!"
If anything it demonstrates that he has no idea what biological evolution is or what the Theory of Evolution is.
He also does not understand "falsify" and he does not understand science. But none of that is surprising, based on his earlier attempts. Maybe we should wait till he adds his summary and Admin promotes it to a debatable topic.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The newest attempt to summarize the falsification.
He thereby shows that he does not understand the meaning of "summary".Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Here's MrID's sammary that Percy requested
It is quite feeble. But it is probably enough for Admin to promote it.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It seems a fair question because we see it here quite a bit.
They seem to have no interest in trying to persuade other people. They perhaps have not even grasped the idea of persuading. They seem to just assume that they are right and that everyone ought to automatically agree with them.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You know no one can describe HOW novel body plans and organs actually evolve, but you can't bring yourself to admit it. It's really quite simple. A paleontologist looks at a newly discovered fossil, and says "I'm going to call that a new body plan." And, with that, a new body plan came into existence. The mistake is to assume that a body plan came first, and then a body was built to that plan. It doesn't happen that way. So called "body plans" are identified afterwards. It is really we humans who attempt to impose the idea of a plan on what we find. Or, to say it all differently, there isn't anything there that needs explaining.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
No one can possibly know the processes involved in the evolution of novel body plans or organs ... therefore no one can possibly claim to know how evolution works. Gunter Bechly came up with a similar challenge. And several biologists answered it. But, of course, Bechly rejected all of their answers, because what he was really asking was a matter of his subjective opinion. And he was not about to accept any responses to his challenge. See the discussion here:
Bechly’s “Species Pairs” Challenge Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
But Darwinists (esp the atheist variety) believe that ToE is more than a theory - they believe it is a fact. Your mistake. The "fact" of evolution is not the same thing as the "theory" of evolution.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Please be advised that a theory is not knowledge. Your mistake.
We KNOW how an internal combustion engine works ... hence there is no Theory of Internal Combustion Engines. That's another mistake. Thermodynamics is a theory of heat engines. You clearly have a mistaken understanding of "theory".
We KNOW how to build a house ... hence there is no Theory of House-building. Yet another mistake. Architecture is a theory of house building.
For your psychological well-being, you and your fellow atheists need to delude yourselves that ToE is a fact and ... Of course ToE is not a fact. It is a theory. What people refer to as facts of evolution is something different.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
not even facts are immutable. I agree with that.
It's important to be clear that what many people call facts are not actually facts. But here, I disagree, unless you want to insist that there are no such things as facts. What makes something a fact depends on human social conventions. And human social conventions change over time, so that what we take to be a fact can change over time. I expect YECs to disagree with this. They do see facts as coming directly from their God, and thus not subject to human social conventions. However, they are just following their own YEC social convention.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
He doesn't seem to have a goal or desire meaningful discussion. Yes, that's pretty much my conclusion. And that's why I have not been responding to his recent posts. He appears to just be trolling.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Well, sure, he's a troll, but what I wonder is why? Some "why?" questions do not need answers.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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He self-identifies. No button is needed.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Prove that he's wrong. What's the point of arguing about this? If you doubt that ToE fully explains evolution, you are entitled to those doubts. But just repeating your doubts doesn't do anything. You won't persuade anybody that way. I disagree with Bechly, but I don't repeatedly tell him that. He is entitled to his own doubts, too. Bechly isn't persuading the biologists, just as Behe isn't persuading the biologists. Meanwhile, ToE continues to generate a considerable amount of good scientific research. The contrary ideas of Behe and Bechly have failed to generate substantial research programs.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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