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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: How is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen and fall for worshipping a bunch of stars, black holes, galaxies, other universes and more random matter and molten goo...quote: Phat writes:
Stop it. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability. ... that you don't have to be accountable to?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
I demand my inalienable old-guy right to yell at the TV. Just because in my old dodderage and depression I talk to things?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: It's time we put this distortion to rest once and for all. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability. First off, I will admit to making Jesus out to be as fair and nice of a chap as my own father. My father by and large went easy on me in my formative years. It is largely true that people who believe in God as a "fathering figure" will base their imagination and interpretation of such Deity modeled on their own father figures..both actual and additional in their earlier life. Next, I realize that scripture says what it says. I disagree with you that Jesus expected everyone to literally give everything up. If anything, he went hard on the rich young ruler because money and wealth is what was holding him back. Had Jesus wanted everyone whom He encountered to surrender all of their worldly goods, he would have commanded Mary and Martha to leave their house. He would have emphasized the message more literally to all people. Granted, we *are* alol told to surrender our mind, will, and emotions to Jesus at the moment of the salvation experience, and many have reported of dramatically changed attitudes and lives after so doing. It also bothers me why you seem to think you can get off the hook simply by being an unbeliever. Jesus exists whether you believe in Him or not. Evidence in and of itself does not determine reality. Things are often not as they seem. We can argue until the Holy Cows of India come home. The fact remains, however, that I have no more than I can and need to use in life, and I am slowly becoming more generous and aware of when I am NOT generous. If I make up Jesus, so does everyone else who claims to be a believer. And again, for those who choose not to believe, how is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen? You seem to think that the origin of all reality comes from humans."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: So if you throw away the book, what God would you have? I take it you obviously believe none of the religious dogma is real. Were you to pretend to be a believer, what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ/ It's just a book.Not even a coherent and planned book, but rather a random collection of ancient writings followed by a random collection of classical writings. Does He give away free toasters with every heavenly account? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
For you to gush praise at the universe (a physical entity, mind you... Gush praise? Where in my monologue do you see praise ... for anything? And what you consider gush might be interpreted as simple acknowledgement, as in giving notice to the universe's grandeur and its absolute rule over all things. Is that pantheist? From recent posts with Son Goku my beliefs are many world-ish which means more than one universe, in fact an infinity of universes. So I suppose pantheist might apply. There certainly are enough to qualify. And, yeah, I don't want to start any kind of schism so just consider my prayer to cover all of them.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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So if you throw away the book, what God would you have?
Why is your book any more important or "real" than other religious tomes? I have one less god than you.
Were you to pretend to be a believer, what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ/
Doesn't work that way. I cannot conceive of a god. If there were such an entity it would be beyond all comprehension, so not worth even bothering about.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Theo writes: Doesn't work that way. I cannot conceive of a god. If there were such an entity it would be beyond all comprehension, so not worth even bothering about. If there is a GOD, and I believe there is one, that entity would have to be complete. And that is one thing Phat and a vast majority of believers in EVERY religion simply fear and cannot accept.My Website: My Website
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I just heard that a bunch of people had invalid baptisms. Now what??
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Phat writes: what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ 1. One that didn't pretend to be non-existent.2. One powerful enough to speak clearly to everyone. 3. One mature enough to not need worship. 4 One intelligent enough to not put the sewage system in the middle of the pleasure center. 5. One who stopped making children starve. But this is just pointing out some of the things wrong with your pathetic fucking excuse for a god. Grow up, it's imaginary fiction.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Well, now, for a nominal fee, I go intervene with the Holy See Himself and have your sanctity restored.
Anyone interested in details can message me.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
and have your sanctity restored. Wow, thanks! Where was my sanctity located again? Are you sure it's mine?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Where was my sanctity located again? Such things are kept with the documentation of the original baptismal ceremony. Depending upon the date of the ceremony your quickly waning sanctity could be stored in one of a number of the pope's vast warehouses around the world. Part of my service is to locate your weakening sanctity, get it and the documentation to Rome and have the Holy Father update the seal on the document with his signet ring. Then I return the documents, with sanctity renewed, to the appropriate archive.
Are you sure it's mine? You pay the fee, I'll see to it it's yours. Absolute guaranteed. Cross my heart. Left to right, of course.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Oh, I just remembered, I'm not catholic, never mind...
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Thats where that religious studies and eastern mumbo jumbo warped your concept of God. The Bible clearly says many times that God is good. Not complete. The Creator may have created good and evil but He does not embody it. But you never liked the apologists anyway so go read some esoteric description of a Monistic God and dream on about personal responsibility as an 8 fold path. If there is a GOD, and I believe there is one, that entity would have to be complete."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Raphael Member (Idle past 491 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: |
Hola all, nice to see this thread is still going Not too much to add but wanted to show my face when I saw this one on the front page of All Topics.
Phat, the relentless one, courage mate! - Raph
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