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AZPaul3
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Message 196 of 1197 (891926)
02-17-2022 7:53 PM
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02-17-2022 7:46 PM


Re: Got No ID
It's a statistical measure of traits to find correlations and relationships. A whole set of measures.
But I don't want to step on Taq. This is his lecture.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 197 of 1197 (891929)
02-17-2022 8:18 PM
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02-17-2022 7:53 PM


Re: Got No ID
You knew, since you brought "statistical measure of traits to find correlations and relationships", do you have the testable, confirmable and falsifiable limits or ranges for them? If not, that is junk! I will beat that with my IUL (initial universal limit)...
Do you wanna intellectually fight in another thread? Or just put article in Zenodo, and give me the link, and discuss here... I will also write rebuttal in Zenodo..and see who has the real best model of reality...
WILLING? or coward?

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Message 198 of 1197 (891930)
02-17-2022 8:24 PM
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02-17-2022 7:46 PM


Re: Got No ID
LOL!!!
1. Yes, Pres Trump is not a perfect human, of course, but he did the best for USA and all of allies. Now, Pres Biden is destroying tghe US in many ways and her allies..
2. Yes, I think Republicans are better and wiser than Democrats. WHY? Republicans are Making America Great Again, while Democrats are Destroying America in Madness Nonsense. Look at the price of gasoline in USA, here in Japan, too... it is getting higher..
3. Yes, I answered AronRa's challenge. It was so easy...I talked to him both in Non-Seq Show and Atheist Experience. He is very afraid of me to fight squarely....
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Message 199 of 1197 (891931)
02-17-2022 9:00 PM
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02-17-2022 8:18 PM


Re: Got No ID
MrID writes:
I will beat that with my IUL (initial universal limit)...
Do you wanna intellectually fight in another thread?
The stuff you write here is so strange...
The reality here is that YOU have to convince most of the biologists in the world that you have something that is a more accurate description of biology than the Theory of Evolution.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO CONVINCE ANY BIOLOGISTS THAT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION EXPLANS BIOLOGY BETTER, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY CONVINCED.
The only way you can win is to convince all the biologists, but so far you have convinced no one. You are dropping further behind all the time. If you cannot convince the scientists here, you will never convince most of the biologists in the world, that you are right.
EVOLUTION IS WINNING!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 200 of 1197 (891932)
02-17-2022 9:14 PM
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02-17-2022 9:00 PM


Re: Got No ID
Cool down, I am just asking for ranges or limits..
I told you that I am a very strong opponent of ToE. No one had ever crushed my new discoveries of intelligence.
If I were you, you must prepare to rebut me, and all my new discoveries, for I tell you the truth, and mark my word for it, you will never win against my new discoveries, just like you will never win against reality.

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Message 201 of 1197 (891933)
02-17-2022 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-17-2022 9:14 PM


Re: Got No ID
MrID writes:
If I were you, you must prepare to rebut me, and all my new discoveries,
Good Grief! NO! You have to rebut evolution.
Evolution is what everyone uses now. If you want to change that, YOU have to convince us.
So far, you have not presented an argument, or any discoveries. We think you are faking it.
We are waiting...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 202 of 1197 (891934)
02-17-2022 10:42 PM
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02-17-2022 9:14 PM


Re: Got No ID
If I were you, you must prepare to rebut me, and all my new discoveries, for I tell you the truth, and mark my word for it, you will never win against my new discoveries, just like you will never win against reality.
We won't have to win against your new discoveries, because you are never going to present those discoveries (if they even exist).

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 203 of 1197 (891937)
02-17-2022 11:16 PM
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02-17-2022 10:42 PM


Re: Got No ID
My goodness, I had given you FREE link of my discoveries. Do you want to see them again?
If you cannot beat me now and publish your hard rebuttal while you could still ask me for clarifications, you cannot beat me later...and never...
Study, rebut and publish in Zenodo, and discuss.. or say SORRY later...

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Message 204 of 1197 (891938)
02-17-2022 11:25 PM
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02-17-2022 11:16 PM


Re: Got No ID
My goodness, I had given you FREE link of my discoveries.
No, you haven't.
You have provided links to incoherent ramblings. But there is no explanation of your supposed discoveries. Assertions are not explanations.
You make big claims but provide nothing of value. And that's why I do not expect you to actually present any new discoveries.

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Message 205 of 1197 (891940)
02-17-2022 11:43 PM
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02-17-2022 11:25 PM


Re: Got No ID
I think that ToE supporters are using new tactics in science, the science-deniers tactics... I will take that tactics seriously.

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AZPaul3
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Message 206 of 1197 (891941)
02-18-2022 1:03 AM
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02-17-2022 11:43 PM


Re: Got No ID
I think that ToE supporters are using new tactics in science, the science-deniers tactics... I will take that tactics seriously.
Oh good.
I deny your science. I deny it exists. I deny that you can show any intelligent design let alone any viable ID paper by any ID proponent. There are no such things in the ID camp.
I deny your ID fantasy, your god, you. So, show me your scientific rebuttal.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 207 of 1197 (891943)
02-18-2022 3:06 AM
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02-17-2022 11:43 PM


Re: Got No ID
I think that ToE supporters are using new tactics in science, the science-deniers tactics... I will take that tactics seriously.
Nope, that's not it at all.
We have not changed anything about how we deal with creationists. You've got a claim to make, so make it! And support it! It's really as simple as that.
You make claims that are not based on anything at all except for a gross misunderstanding of science. OK, so we expect you to support your claim, which you steadfastly refuse to do. So we have to hold your feet to the fire in order to keep you honest and you instead walk away bitching and moaning about how you've been mistreated.
OK, everything you've presented tells us that you have nothing. So what you need to do is to try to build an actual case. Of course you won't even try to build an actual case, which tells us that you have no case to build. If you think that our conclusion is wrong, then you need to present an actual case that would change our minds. Which you never do!
You want us to take you seriously? So present us with something that we can consider seriously. Until you do that, you are and will always be nothing but a joke.
So do you want to be taken seriously? Or do you want to be nothing but a joke? It's up to you.

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Message 208 of 1197 (891948)
02-18-2022 11:14 AM


A place to publish for MrID
I get emails from this guy about once a month soliciting submission papers for publication. When he first contacted me I looked into it a bit. There were 3 "peer reviewers" on staff so papers are streamlined. The reviewers were not specialists, so having a paper dealing with, for example, embryology of dragonflies would be reviewed by a general biologist with no specialized knowledge of the subject. I didn't feel like my reviews would be rigorous enough and none of my entomology colleagues would read this journal so it would be a wasted effort, that was more like pretending to publish. This may be a predatory journal that I have heard about, but I have no direct experience with them.
Anyway it might be a good fit for MrID.
quote:
Jorge A. Santiago-Blay, PhD
Pronouns (pronombres): English (inglés), singular: he/his/him; español (Spanish), singular: él/lo
Adjunct Lecturer in Biology
The Pennsylvania State University - York Campus
Jorge A. Santiago-Blay | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
Editor-in-Chief: Life: The Excitement of Biology
Life: The Excitement of Biology
1. Positive experiences for authors of papers published in LEB: Testimonials | Life: The Excitement of Biology
2. Free examples of papers published in LEB: Previous Issues | Life: The Excitement of Biology.
3. Guidelines for Authors and page charges of LEB: Authors, including Guidelines | Life: The Excitement of Biology .
Research Associate, Department of Paleobiology
National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution
Jorge A. Santiago-Blay | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
Adjunct Lecturer
Department of Environmental Sciences and Policy
The Johns Hopkins University
Jorge A. Santiago-Blay | Johns Hopkins Advanced Academic Programs
ABE:This is how he signs his emails. It looks like BS titles and academic positions to me.
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 209 of 1197 (891949)
02-18-2022 11:19 AM
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02-18-2022 11:14 AM


Re: A place to publish for MrID
Have you read any of his stuff? Predatory journals are the only ones that would publish it - and even some of them might find it too awful to print.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 210 of 1197 (891950)
02-18-2022 11:22 AM
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02-18-2022 11:19 AM


Re: A place to publish for MrID
Have you read any of his stuff? Predatory journals are the only ones that would publish it - and even some of them might find it too awful to print.
Yes I have. I just thought it would be funny if he actually sent them his gibberish...just my warped sense of humor.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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