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dwise1
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Message 181 of 1197 (891907)
02-16-2022 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 5:58 PM


Re: You actually still have a chance to cure your ignorance.
You had posted a long comenbts. Thank you for the effort.
Not for your benefit, for you are terminally and willfully stupid. Pearls cast before swine, but then, as a typical Christian, you know nothing of what the Bible says, do you?
Rather, we also post for the lurkers. Or "visitors". At the moment that I am writing this, 5 members are present in this forum, while 39 visitors are also present. They can see what I post as well as what you post. They can see your nonsense as well as my own reasonable postings.
quote:
For the ones who appreciate pearls of wisdom, rather than the typical swinage:
Long long ago in a cyberspace far far away, there was a TV screenwriter, J. Michael Straczynski (best known as JMS). Over all the then-known realms of cyberspace (eg, CompuServe, Genie, etc -- this was before the Internet, mind you (Oh! You (MrID) didn't know about that either? Dang!!!)) JMS was spreading the word about this really great idea he had for a TV show. That eventually became Babylon 5.
As he pitched his show to his future audience, we split into two different groups: the ones who responded and the vastly larger group, the lurkers, those who sit back silently and observe what's really going on. JMS went out of his way to recognize his lurkers by choosing to use that term for the homeless living in the lower levels of that space station (hey! We can't all be antiseptic Star Trek types). On-line, the repository for things relating to Babylon 5 is The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5.
Share and enjoy!
What transpires between you and me doesn't mean anything to either of us (unless either of us were to say something that the other would recognize as making sense, which you could never ever be able to consider, hence the subjunctive mood).
You want to convince
But remember that you don't really know what the new ID had done to explain reality.
Everything you write is gibberish. Nobody ever reads it.
Did you read my science article about the new ID?
Everything you write is gibberish. Nobody ever reads it (at least past the first attempt).
Nobody ever chooses to try to read gibberish.
Nobody has ever attempted to read the gibberish trash that you had "published".
Except for the few who now complain of brain damage.

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Message 182 of 1197 (891908)
02-16-2022 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by nwr
02-16-2022 8:44 PM


Re: Got No ID
The science journals will probably fail me, but I cannot fail the falsification. I think that I got it. Just wait and see...

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 183 of 1197 (891909)
02-16-2022 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by dwise1
02-16-2022 10:09 PM


Re: You actually still have a chance to cure your ignorance.
LOL!!!
If you do not read your opponents' arguments, how do you know that I am wrong?
Oh my... you are making me laugh! lol!!!!!

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 184 of 1197 (891910)
02-16-2022 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by jar
02-16-2022 8:43 PM


Re: Got No ID
If you believe that ToE is falsifiable, then, I can falsify ToE. If you think that ToE is religious, then, of course, it would be very easy to falsity ToE....either way, I will falsify ToE.

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AZPaul3
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Message 185 of 1197 (891911)
02-16-2022 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:12 PM


Bull
Poe's Law

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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nwr
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Message 186 of 1197 (891912)
02-16-2022 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:09 PM


Re: Got No ID
The science journals will probably fail me, but I cannot fail the falsification.
Nevertheless, I expect you to fail. But you might not recognize that you have failed.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 187 of 1197 (891913)
02-16-2022 11:30 PM


This Man Has No ID.
how do you know that I am wrong?
An old joke.
How can you tell when a salesman is lying? His lips are moving.
How can you tell when a creation/IDiot is wrong? His lips are moving.
[dangles lure]
You could help improve this perception by sharing, here, with us, the exceptional power of Super-ID v2.0 with an example of how it works.
How can you differentiate a created X from an un-created X?
You must answer. It is your fate. It is encased in the spacetime loaf on your NOW-slice and you cannot resist.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
PaulK
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Message 188 of 1197 (891914)
02-17-2022 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 6:00 PM


Re: Got No ID
quote:
What I care is if I am wrong or not!
You are wrong, and the only way to fix it is to get psychiatric help.
Please do that, for your own sake.

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jar
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Message 189 of 1197 (891915)
02-17-2022 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:12 PM


Re: Got No ID
Of course the Theory of Evolution is not religious. Religions are simply human fantasies, all religions. They are human creations unrelated to truth, facts or reality.
The Theory of Evolution is simply the best and only explanation of how the living things here on the earth originated.
But please try to falsify the Theory of Evolution.
First though you need to come and learn what the Theory of Evolution actually says.

My Website: My Website

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dwise1
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Message 190 of 1197 (891918)
02-17-2022 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:11 PM


Re: You actually still have a chance to cure your ignorance.
If you do not read your opponents' arguments, how do you know that I am wrong?
First, I have tried to read your nonsense! It's nothing but gibberish. It says nothing! Trying to read it is almost literally slogging through waist-deep steaming manure trying to find a single item of any value but there's none to be found. So when you insist that we slog through a new pile of manure, the proper response to you is "Fuck you, asshole!"
That is why you must respond here in the forum. Which you refuse to do, instead directing us to your pools of steaming manure. Of course, you cannot afford to make any sense since the deception you are practicing (ie, creationism) depends on confusion and falls apart when examined directly.
There's also the point that you are not even wrong! In order to be right or wrong about something, you have to have addressed that thing. If you do not even bother to address the subject, then you are not even wrong!
Let's take evolution as an example. You can claim all you want that you are refuting evolution, but if you never address evolution then you aren't even wrong about evolution. Because you're not even talking about evolution!
Remember what that one reviewer wrote?
quote:
1.0 out of 5 stars Edgar Postrado is Not Even Wrong
Reviewed in the United States on February 10, 2017
Edgar cannot even understand that position he's attempting to oppose. He reliably strawmans the work of Charles Darwin, modern understandings of the Theory of Evolution, and even the position of the Intelligent Design proponents.
He has no concept of how to perform a scientific experiment, formulate a hypothesis, or analyze the results. Full stop.
You are not even wrong in your pathetic attempts to refute evolution, because you aren't talking about evolution.
It is impossible to refute nonsensical gibberish, so your gloating over nobody being able to refute your nonsense is nothing but your own admission that you write nothing but nonsense. That is not something to be proud of.
Read this total refutation of "Intelligent Design":
quote:
I letting my review of memory best. Describing at times comments distinctly different. I posted creationists argue against wrong about evolution. There are so many things wrong with that one, but remember "The Ladder of Life", a new biological term.
Now refute it. If you cannot refute it, then explain why you cannot.
BTW, I meant for that to be gibberish, but it is very difficult for a functional brain to generate the level of nonsense that comes so naturally to your own non-functional brain.

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dwise1
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Message 191 of 1197 (891921)
02-17-2022 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:09 PM


Re: Got No ID
The science journals will probably fail me, ...
We all know that you are just trying to play the old dishonest creationist game of crying like a spoiled baby that "they won't publish us because they're prejudiced against us! Waaaaaah!!!"
The two reasons why they won't publish your "article" are 1) because it's anti-science nonsense and 2) your writing is unreadable gibberish.
The real test would be for you to submit the same tripe to a leading creationist publication. How likely is it for them to publish it without completely rewriting it? But of course you would never do that because it would expose your deception for what it is.
... , but I cannot fail the falsification.
Fail? You cannot even get it started! In order to falsify evolution, you must address evolution! But you never do that! Instead, you make up some bullshit strawman to attack without getting anywhere close to evolution (not even in the same city, let alone the same neighborhood).
Before you can even consider refuting evolution, you must first learn something about evolution! But you refuse to learn, so you will never succeed.
You're not even wrong!

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Message 192 of 1197 (891922)
02-17-2022 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 5:58 PM


Re: You actually still have a chance to cure your ignorance.
My last reply to MrID's message was posted prematurely and unintentionally. This is how that reply was supposed to be.
You had posted a long comenbts. Thank you for the effort.
Next time, you might want to try something that you might find very novel: read it. For one thing, you might actually learn something -- try it some time; you might even grow to like learning. At the very least it can serve as an example of writing that is not gibberish, something that you could use to improve your own sorry attempts at writing.
But of course you would never do that, being terminally and willfully stupid, so my replies are not for your benefit (though they could be if not for your willful stupidity). Pearls cast before swine, but then, as a typical Christian, you know nothing of what the Bible says, do you?
Rather, we also post for the lurkers. Or "visitors". At the moment that I am writing this, 7 members are present in this forum, while 54 visitors are also present. They can see what I post as well as what you post. They can see your nonsense as well as my own reasonable postings.
One of the shams of creationism is their "creation/evolution debates" which are rigged to favor the creationist in so many ways -- refer to my page, Creation / Evolution Debates, for a more complete discussion and links to articles on the subject. Because of the gross dishonesty of the debate format as well as of the creationists, the common wisdom is to not participate, but one professor looks forward to them. He sees them as a teaching opportunity so, even though creationists would ignore what he's saying, there are many in the audience who will be able to learn. Besides, when he teaches evolutionary biology in the classroom it's to students who can barely stay awake let alone pay attention, but in a debate he has an auditorium filled with people who are listening intently to every word he's saying. What educator could pass up such an opportunity?
BTW, MrID is "replying" (ie, with a non-reply) to my Message 165. If you follow that link, you will read for yourself what MrID is frantically ignoring.
But remember that you don't really know what the new ID had done to explain reality.
Oh, I do have many questions about your "new ID", but you persist in refusing to explain it.
Why do you refuse to answer our questions? What are you trying to hide?
Did you read my science article about the new ID?
I read the abstract, or at least tried to. It was not only complete gibberish, but its information content was almost zero. Indeed, the only information that it conveyed was that the 38 pages of the "article" was written in the same fashion: complete gibberish containing no information. Trying to read the article would be worse than a total waste of time.
You keep ignoring your worst problem: everything you write is gibberish. Nobody ever reads it (at least past the first attempt).
Nobody ever chooses to try to read gibberish.
Nobody has ever attempted to read the gibberish trash that you had "published". Except for the few who now complain of brain damage incurred by that effort.
Did you compare reality to ToE? Or did you use ToE to compare and see reality?
What the hell are you trying to say? It's statements like this which informs us that you are afflicted with gross misunderstanding of evolution, a problem you share with so many other creationists.
You may as well have asked any of the following:
How much sense did those versions of your question make? None whatsoever. For the same reason that your original question makes no sense.
And frankly, it would help to dispell your great confusion if you were to learn what evolution actually is. Not that you would ever try to learn, since you creationists make your faith dependent on lies and deception which would be exposed for what they are by learning what evolution actually is.
Also, it would serve you well to learn something about science. For example, as I explained to you (and you ignored) in my Message 165:
DWise1 writes:
Now to really blow MrID's mind: ToE is not reality, but rather it explains reality. That is what a theory does: it explains something.
ID explains nothing. If you have any evidence or actual arguments to refute that, then do please present it. Any of it.
So we make observations of reality and then use those observations to develop laws, hypotheses, and theories to describe and explain our observations. A theory is a conceptual model of what we observe. A theory never replaces reality, but rather helps us to understand reality.
MrID, please stop refusing to learn.

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Message 193 of 1197 (891923)
02-17-2022 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-16-2022 10:12 PM


Re: Got No ID
MrID writes:
If you believe that ToE is falsifiable, then, I can falsify ToE.
The theory of evolution predicts that you should be able to measure a statistically significant phylogenetic signal in the genetic data for vertebrates. A lack of this phylogenetic signal would go a long ways towards falsifying the theory.
Can you show us that this phylogenetic signal does not exist in the genetic data?

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AZPaul3
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Message 194 of 1197 (891924)
02-17-2022 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Taq
02-17-2022 5:54 PM


Re: Got No ID
phylogenetic signal
What is that and how would it be noticed?
Curious minds want to know.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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dwise1
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Message 195 of 1197 (891925)
02-17-2022 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Taq
02-17-2022 5:54 PM


Re: Got No ID
The theory of evolution predicts that you should be able to measure a statistically significant phylogenetic signal in the genetic data for vertebrates.
I'm also curious about that term, "phylogenetic signal".
Would this be related to Aron Ra's "Phylogeny Challenge" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0zpk0lPFU)? In that video he explores several branches of the phylogenetic tree of life, showing how they all tie together. That is to say that by examining the evidence we can clearly and unarguably see that they're all inter-related.
The challenge itself to creationists is for them to support their position that that "tree of life" contains insurmountable barriers between the various "basic created kinds". They claim that the "tree of life" is instead an orchard of separate "trees" (ie, each representing a different and separate "basic created kind") which are distinctly separate from each other, so where do we see that pattern in the evidence? We don't! But if there were any validity to "basic created kinds" then we should be able to see that in the evidence and creationists should be able to point out the necessary patterns in the evidence. They can't!
MrID even created an entire topic, All About Biblical Kinds, in which only the OP (Message 1) even tries to make a token attempt to stick to the topic. But even then, all he does is bitch and moan about Aron Ra having put a lot of work into his Phylogeny Project while MrID rebels against the very idea that he would need to do his homework. Other than that, he praises Donald Trump (who's apparently MrID's role model -- malignant narcissist, "fucking moron", declares himself a genius despite his own severe ignorance, makes many sweeping promises that he never delivers on *, etc) and Marjorie "Three Toes" (AKA "Marjorie Three Names", "Marjorie Three Toes", "QAnon Betty", "Queen Gazpacho", "The Mayor of Crazy-ville").
 

* FOOTNOTE:
An off-color joke I heard once half a century ago (I think I heard it referred to this past year), but I think of it every time I see Trump in action.
A woman who had been married three times visits her gynecologist who, knowing her marital history, is surprised to discover that she's still a virgin. Her explanation why the first two marriages were never consummated depends on her husbands' occupations and how that caused long periods of separation (eg, a fireman). I don't remember the details of those first two marriages nor are those details important; in retelling this joke just come up with something.
Rather, it's the third husband that's the punch line. He was a high-powered salesman. He would spend all evening selling her on how incredible the sex was going to be, but then he literally never delivered on his promises.
Now apply that to Trump. And, as Paul Harvey would conclude his radio broadcasts, "Now you know the rest of the story."

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