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Michael MD
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Message 451 of 589 (891586)
02-04-2022 10:11 AM
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02-03-2022 5:11 PM


To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
I'll summarize the foundation of my Ether Model. -It isn't to include how the Model deals with gravity/magnetism or quantum entanglement (given at other parts of this Thread), but just to focus on the basis of the Model.
If an ether exists, it would have to be universal. If universal, it would have had to arise first-causally. -A rational substrate at the very beginning could only have been original space. -Original space would have differed from space as it is now in that it would have been "purer," free from everything else, such as forces. It could, then, have "shimmered," with extremely tiny "elemental" point-like localities in a state of perfect, or ideal, reciprocal oscillation. Then, my Model proposes, neighboring "points" underwent oscillatory fatigue, and moved toward each other, as in the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," which shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)
If, as I proposed earlier in the Thread, there exist otherworldly entities who are familiar with, and technologically employ, etheric forces, they may have left us certain clues we could recognize if we got developed enough. One such possibility would be a representation like Yin and Yang -If it was intended to represent a key process in how the world began, what could that be.
My Model proposes that any such "first causal" random process preceded the world we are in now -i.e., a first-causal process that led to a universal ether, and which was later followed by a designed creational process that produced the quantum-atomic world we are in now.
As a pair of first-causal elemental units underwent oscillatory fatigue, their shape (which had probably been spherical) changed, as they moved directionally for the first time. Besides the change in shape, they would also have undergone a change in their type of orientation with other elemental points, as reciprocal
oscillations changed to independent vibrations. These ether-like "points" now could interact with each other, as their outward vibrations came into contact.
Wherever two Yin-Yang couplet units contacted each other, their matching pairs of vibrations could lock and link up the two couplets into a tetrad unit. This would represent a template for how larger and larger units could be formed in the ether matrix, up to the size scale of protons and atoms.

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Message 452 of 589 (891590)
02-04-2022 11:23 AM
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02-04-2022 10:11 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
Yawn.
I'm sorry. What were you saying?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 453 of 589 (891592)
02-04-2022 1:01 PM
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02-04-2022 10:11 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
My Model proposes that any such "first causal" random process preceded the world we are in now -i.e., a first-causal process that led to a universal ether, and which was later followed by a designed creational process that produced the quantum-atomic world we are in now.
This seems like a really detailed description of something that has never been detected.
And "a designed creational process that produced the quantum-atomic world we are in now" sure sounds like something you just made up.
As a pair of first-causal elemental units underwent oscillatory fatigue, their shape (which had probably been spherical) changed, as they moved directionally for the first time. Besides the change in shape, they would also have undergone a change in their type of orientation with other elemental points, as reciprocal oscillations changed to independent vibrations. These ether-like "points" now could interact with each other, as their outward vibrations came into contact.
And again, highly detailed descriptions of something that has never been even hinted at by any research.
Wherever two Yin-Yang couplet units contacted each other, their matching pairs of vibrations could lock and link up the two couplets into a tetrad unit. This would represent a template for how larger and larger units could be formed in the ether matrix, up to the size scale of protons and atoms.
More details without any supporting observations. So far, you have not given us a single observation in physics that would support the existence of your ether, not even a hint.

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Michael MD
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Message 454 of 589 (891604)
02-05-2022 9:06 AM
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02-04-2022 1:01 PM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
As "an observation in physics that would support" the model of the ether I propose-
"Quantum entanglement" just represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in the phenomenon, with the pair of quantum units kinetically "walled off," like the "cool arms" of a quiet, purring, ether mechanism which can just turn itself on and off.
Parenthetically, this is a message line I claim to have decoded, (verbatim, and cleanly) from the coded source I recently talked about.
Compare the straightforwardness of this kind of explanation with the numerous and convoluted explanations of quantum entanglement that are given using standard physics.

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Message 455 of 589 (891605)
02-05-2022 9:27 AM
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02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
Claimsheisanmd writes:
"Quantum entanglement" just represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in the phenomenon, with the pair of quantum units kinetically "walled off," like the "cool arms" of a quiet, purring, ether mechanism which can just turn itself on and off.
Word Salad with absolutely no value or discernable meaning.
In other words, just more bullshit!

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Theodoric
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Message 456 of 589 (891606)
02-05-2022 10:00 AM
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02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
I'll bite. What is this "source"? How did you acquire it?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 457 of 589 (891607)
02-05-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Michael MD
02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
Parenthetically, this is a message line I claim to have decoded, (verbatim, and cleanly) from the coded source I recently talked about.
Compare the straightforwardness of this kind of explanation with the numerous and convoluted explanations of quantum entanglement that are given using standard physics.
And this is what I decoded from your coded message, "STUFF HAPPENS".

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 458 of 589 (891608)
02-05-2022 10:55 AM
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02-05-2022 10:00 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
I'll bite. What is this "source"? How did you acquire it?
And what did it say before it was decoded? How do we know it was decoded accurately?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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dwise1
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Message 459 of 589 (891609)
02-05-2022 11:04 AM
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02-05-2022 10:00 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
I'll bite. What is this "source"? How did you acquire it?
Are they some gold plates that he had dug up? And is he deciphering them by looking into his hat?

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Message 460 of 589 (891611)
02-05-2022 11:16 AM
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02-05-2022 11:04 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
It seems some sort of aliens are involved. Not sure if he means extraterrestrials, leprechauns or Guatamalans.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 461 of 589 (891627)
02-05-2022 9:53 PM
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02-05-2022 11:16 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
It seems some sort of aliens are involved. Not sure if he means extraterrestrials, leprechauns or Guatamalans.
Well, aliens with an Enigma Machine.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 462 of 589 (891628)
02-05-2022 10:52 PM
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02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
That code was not from a civilization past present or future, was it. It was natural, wasn’t it. From the etheric energy? The vibrations of the elemental ether units found a way to communicate with you? Is there more in this message than you are revealing? What else does it say? What are you hiding?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 463 of 589 (891629)
02-05-2022 11:04 PM


Powerful Stuff
From Message 451
If an ether exists, it would have to be universal. If universal, it would have had to arise first-causally. -A rational substrate at the very beginning could only have been original space. -Original space would have differed from space as it is now in that it would have been "purer," free from everything else, such as forces. It could, then, have "shimmered," with extremely tiny "elemental" point-like localities in a state of perfect, or ideal, reciprocal oscillation. Then, my Model proposes, neighboring "points" underwent oscillatory fatigue, and moved toward each other, as in the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," which shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)
And he goes on like this for 4 more paragraphs. Amazing.
Can anyone find out what this guy is on? I might like to try me some of that.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 464 of 589 (891818)
02-12-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by Michael MD
02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
In an attempt to recover something useful out of this I'll say one thing.
Entanglement actually is pretty simple, or at least simpler than most things in quantum theory. It's when the measurements on one quantum system (be it a single particle, a supercool gas, etc) are correlated with the measurements on another quantum system.
That's it. It's not about systems influencing each other faster than light or anything like that*. Just correlation.
*The faster than light stuff is just a common misunderstanding
Edited by Son Goku, : Typo

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Michael MD
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Message 465 of 589 (892423)
03-07-2022 9:49 AM
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02-05-2022 11:04 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To encapsulate the fundamental basis of this Ether Model differently, and maybe more concisely and clearly.
Transition from a first world, consisting of elemental-units reciprocally oscillating
to a second "ether world," consisting of elemental units independently vibrating, and interacting via contact vibration, produced an etheric "second world," via first-causal processes occurring randomly.
Then, from partly-quantized "islands" that appeared inside this "second" world, a designed creational process was done, that involved projecting quantum electrons through the ether, which caused a self-sustained chain-reactional process in the ether. This was what generated the protons and atoms that make up the world we are in now. (The primary process in this involved ambient ether units reacting to the transit of the electrons, with larger and larger units being generated according to the process described in my recent posts.

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