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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Immunity is a primary word they don't seem to understand.
I know words are hard. Covidiots and MAGAT's have trouble with the concept that one word may have multiple meanings. This ignorance has gotten many killed. I always thought there should be a primer page here at EVC that links to or discusses logical fallacies.Equivocation is this logical fallacy. quote:Equivocation Here is what they think immunity meanslack of susceptibility, especially to something unwelcome or harmful. Here is what it means in the context of disease and medicine.the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Here is a link to a post I made long ago about logical fallacies. I suggest you print this poster and look at it before you post. There is also a good description of what is a scientific theory. am sure you need to learn about that too.
If you have any desire to be taken seriously(which I doubt you do) then you should consider eliminating fallacies and gaining a basic understanding of science and the scientific method. The site now also has a cognitive bias poster. You need that too. Message 1Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
Hahaha look who is talking about fallacies... The guy who used ad hominem on his very first post to me... LoL...
The cheapest fallacy of all. Used when one is defeated.
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
But u still have to wear this
And its not actually 90% effective at stopping covidAnd you still need to test and social distance And you need to have boosters every 3 months And it hasn't ended the pandemic But apart from that your saved... LoL... From getting the sniffles
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Here is my first post.
Message 227 Where is the ad hominem? Things based on fact or based upon you arguments are not ad hominems. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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I think it's time for some moderator intervention, this idiot is making no attempt to discuss anything.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
Ah now i remember. I got mixed up.
FYI Australia claims to be 90% vaxed and its worse than ever. That refutes most of what you babbled on about You were basically trying to justify the atrocities as normal just cos its law. A sicko without morals
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If it was true you would provide a source.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I'm a couple days behind, but I like to respond to messages about covid if I think I can add helpful information.
Porkncheese writes: Jobs lost, livelihoods lost, massive debt, sanity lost, homes lost, lives lost. It makes me cry thinking about the main so many of my friends are going through. Anecdotally I know no one who has been harmed by covid yet everyone I know has been harmed by the government response. It might help to think of it as a tradeoff where it's asked how much we're willing to pay in terms of jobs, debt, mental health, financial stability, etc., for each life saved, for each person who doesn't lose the sense of taste and smell forever, for each person who doesn't suffer lifelong kidney or liver or heart or brain damage or chronic fatigue syndrome, etc. There are two good examples out there of opposite approaches to dealing with covid. One is the United States, which has so far experienced about 550 deaths per 100,000 population, and the other is Australia, at about 9 deaths per 100,000. Which country made the right choices?
The jab does give you antibodies according to studies but their gone in 12 weeks so u need boosters. And you can still catch and spread it. Natural immunity is better. Talking about the body's immune system can get complicated real fast, and I'm going to try to avoid doing that, but here are two links that contain a great deal of very useful information for those interested:
Depending upon which virus/vaccine combination you're talking about, natural immunity can be better or worse than vaccine-provided immunity. In the case of the covid vaccines, they all provide better immunity than natural immunity, and at far less risk to your health. I said I'd try to avoid detail, and I hope what I'm about to say isn't too much, but the reason the vaccines provide better immunity is because they result in the production of antibodies targeted at a specific part of covid's spike protein, while the body provides a more scattershot approach to the production of antibodies, many of which are, in essence, failed experiments.
Do you think it's right that people are being forced to take the needle and being discriminated against? Do you think people living in a society have a responsibility toward their fellow man to not spread disease among the population? If you believe that, then what measures should a society take to protect its members from the spread of disease? In particular, how should a society go about protecting itself from members who disagree with the measures agreed upon by the majority?
And this desperate push to vax everyone. Shouldn't there be a control group? I'd have to look up the test protocols for the Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and AstraZeneca (and there are others), but generally yes, in clinical studies there's a control group. And we also have a control group out here in the wild where we already know statistically that the unvaccinated are far more likely to become sick, be hospitalized, be intubated, and die.
Shouldn't there be informed consent? Yes, there should, because we definitely don't want anyone taking a vaccine that could cause adverse effects, such as an allergic reaction that results in anaphylaxis shock. Some reject the vaccine because of the possibility of adverse long term effects that we don't know about yet, but while not impossible it's highly speculative. But anyone who decides against vaccination because they fear microchips or because it kills more people than it saves or anything like that, is engaged in misinformed refusal and is fairly determined at maintaining their misinformation, because that these kinds of conspiracy theories are untrue is pretty easy to figure out. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You accused me of making an ad hominem. Apologize and retract.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 296 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
The acceptance of human sacrifice... So its ok if people die from the vax as long as its saving some others...
Enough said... You guys are animals
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