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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1 of 11 (860470)
08-07-2019 5:33 PM


I was in a discussion with Theodoric, and he offered me a link, which was attempting to show racism against blacks in Lyndon Larouche's writings. He said I had to start another thread if I challenged anything in the links.
Here was his link.
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Here was the part that caused me to find the actual article (I had to do a google past to find the PDF):
quote:
"...the Mesopotamian polymorphic, pro-bestial images of their pagan deities, for example, tell us much which is most essential--and essentially disgusting--about that culture. Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy, argue that "black" persons of African origins are an inferior species of beast-men, are intrinsically immoral believers in the bestial nature of man, themselves included. " Source: Information Society: A Doomed Empire of Evil by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. (April 13, 2000)
Note: Larouche doesn't realize he is contradicting himself: racists (Confederacy) or Larouche both despise "beast-men", they are not "believers in the bestial nature of man"!
I suspected the quote was out of context. I figured Theodoric's source might be attempting to make it look like LaRouche was calling African culture "disgusting".
So I tracked down the source.
https://larouchepub.com/...sh_of_the_nasdaq_informat-lar.pdf
LaRouche actually said that Greeks got their culture from Egyptians (a very important issue in the American black community, mind you), and the Romans started the degeneration. He was attacking serfdom and slavery:"a form of serfdom is typical of ancient Mesopotamian cultures". He wrote an article that would be seen as complementary toward black contributions to the best of humanity's offerings. It was an article about the evolution of man, but he saw man as already having intrinsic abilities. It was a very theological article.
He said Mandeville and Adam Smith saw man as a beast.
That was the referent that the "Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy" referred back to.
The Mesopotamian artistic depictions of man as part beast was also a derivation from Mandeville & Smith type of thinking.
quote:
In reality, contrary to such simple-minded explanations as those popularized, statistical notions of the empiricists, the most important distinction among cultures and leading currents within cultures, is to be found in the differences among the ways in which each of these defines what it identifies as human nature. In the sweep of the rise of globally extended European civilization, since ancient Greece, the differences among working definitions of human nature, fall into two general classes, several sub-classes, and, finally, specific types within the bounds of classes and sub-classes. The most important subject-matter of such historiographical studies, is located in the transitions which move a society from one such type, or class of axiomatic definition, to another. The evolution of the conception of human nature within ancient Greece itself, as shown by tracing this evolution from the Homeric epics to Plato, is the most crucial example of those processes of changee.g., transitionswhich bring the underlying principles of history-makinge.g., epistemology and state craftinto focus.
The modern radical positivist’s perverse definition of human nature, is a case in point.
The general classifications to be considered are, essentially, a division between those who insist, as Mandeville and Adam Smith did, that man’s nature, or some men’s nature, is that of merely another beast, as opposed to that of the Christians, and others, who define man as, by nature, of a higher order than any and all of the beasts. Hence, the Mesopotamian polymorphic, pro-bestial images of their pagan deities, for example, tell us much which is most essential--and essentially disgusting--about that culture. Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy, argue that "black" persons of African origins are an inferior species of beast-men, are intrinsically immoral believers in the bestial nature of man, themselves included.
I just do not see this as LaRouche saying that he feels the "beast-men" status (chattel slavery) of African Americans during the Confederacy indicates they were legitimately & reasonably - to LaRouche - seen as such.
It had nothing to do with anything LaRouche believes.
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Message 2 of 11 (860472)
08-07-2019 5:52 PM


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 3 of 11 (860489)
08-07-2019 9:24 PM


My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
EvC Forum: The Right Side of the News
I will attempt to engage any comments or debate with fellow posters.
This is not going to be a particularly fun set of issues to address though.
(For various reasons)

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Message 4 of 11 (860497)
08-08-2019 12:22 AM
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08-07-2019 9:24 PM


Re: My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
OK, spell it out for me..(no links...just your motive for the topic)
You quoted:
LNA writes:
I only want to comment on the issue of LaRouche being a racist against blacks.
So you and Theo opened this discussion. Am I to conclude that the motive of this topic is to defend larouche? If not, what is it that you want to talk about?
LNA writes:
I will attempt to engage any comments or debate with fellow posters.
This is not going to be a particularly fun set of issues to address though.
What specifically is it that you wish to educate/inform the peanut gallery about? Its a Free For All...I put you over here to give you a topic to run with. Is Theo wrong about Larouche or is this issue bigger than Larouche??

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Message 5 of 11 (860498)
08-08-2019 12:35 AM


Why does anyone care about LaRouche? He's dead and he was a nut. We used to watch his long conspiracy commercials on late night TV to make fun of him. He could never have become president because he was a convicted felon. He was a pathetic character.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 6 of 11 (860499)
08-08-2019 12:55 AM
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08-08-2019 12:22 AM


Re: My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
quote:
So you and Theo opened this discussion. Am I to conclude that the motive of this topic is to defend larouche? If not, what is it that you want to talk about?
It is not a defense of LaRouche on every issue related to ethnic attacks (I think his overall combination of anti-Zionism + the endlessly specific mentioning of Jewish ethnicity among individuals behind various "bad things" in history = anti-Semitic leanings), but it is a response to completely out-of-context quotations when it comes to issues specifically about the African race.
It is the fact that LaRouche was attacked as a "racist" in extremely short media reports (when any coverage was extremely rare, and he was subject to a news media blackout) about him during his Presidential runs from 1976-2004.
His anti-Semitic stuff (though not based on any racial theory, and not due to whatever "skin color" issues some might feel exist when looking at Jewish people) complicates the issue for sure, and to annoying levels.
LaRouche was indeed anti-Semitic during every Presidential run from 1976-2004.
But he was not racist against humans with dark skin, during his Presidential runs.
(When one looks at historical reports from a 2019 vantage point, this issue is admittedly complicated by the fact that LaRouche did begin to spout racist words after 2007/2008, and they were all aimed at Obama)
quote:
What specifically is it that you wish to educate/inform the peanut gallery about? Its a Free For All...I put you over here to give you a topic to run with. Is Theo wrong about Larouche or is this issue bigger than Larouche??
I think it is bigger than LaRouche.
Much bigger.
The whole LaRouche story gets to corruption in the media and the political party nomination process.

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Message 7 of 11 (860500)
08-08-2019 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by LamarkNewAge
08-08-2019 12:55 AM


EvC discussion.I edited your topic name.
I think it is bigger than LaRouche.
Much bigger.
The whole LaRouche story gets to corruption in the media and the political party nomination process.
OK. I edited the title of this thread, as a favor to you since your topics can become convoluted and scattered. Lets focus on corruption in the media and the political nomination process. Does that sound fair?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 8 of 11 (889979)
12-19-2021 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
08-08-2019 2:09 AM


Re: EvC discussion.I edited your topic name.
LNA writes:
Phat has been farting about inflation for a while now.
Economists used to say that any unemployment rate under 5% spelled inflation.
It is about 1% in my city of 300,000 people.
And there is, indeed, inflation.
Why is Phat, now, refusing to phart out loud?
Because Phat is no longer an administrator and cannot reply to you on a topic that has not been promoted. Moose has the call on this, so take it up with him.
For the record, consensus on inflation is far from settled. The government is addressing it with the Feds bag of tools and tricks, but the jury is out on what territory the US and Global economies now are in. What we really need to do with you is give you one thread (perhaps in Free For All) and let you blather on about each new topic that springs up in your head. We can call it LNAs Musings. Your topic would of course have to be approved and I no longer can do that.
Edited by Phat, : spelling

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 9 of 11 (889993)
12-20-2021 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phat
12-19-2021 9:57 AM


Re: EvC discussion.I edited your topic name.
Yea, well:
I want to start an inflation thread, "Phat's Phartings"!
0% tariffs would bring inflation down, with an economic shoot-up that would create an inflationary cross-current.
Any economic growth will create inflation - to a certain extent.
Targeted regulations ( including price controls!) can do wonders against inflation. But one must understand the market & economic forces, so as not to create shortages.
(Most simply do not understand economics at all, and it does not stop them from pontificating)

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Message 10 of 11 (889997)
12-20-2021 1:21 PM
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12-20-2021 10:26 AM


Re: EvC discussion.I edited your topic name.
If you display the Coffee House forum and peer just above the word "Topic", what does it say about new topics?
--Percy

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Message 11 of 11 (890005)
12-21-2021 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
08-08-2019 12:22 AM


Re: My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
Phat writes:
OK, spell it out for me..(no links...
Phat said that? Strike me blind!

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
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