RobinRohan has died

It's not wrong mate, it's probably what most people would wish that reality was like. However, I believe that like most things we wish for, it isn't true.

I agree with schraff, pondering on what's going to happen to you when you die is an atrocious waste of time.

Live for the moment, grab life by the balls because you are a long time dead.

Brian.

I know. In a way, it's like before birth. Nobody felt sorry for me before birth> "me" is only one page in the book called the fourth dimension.

I know...he's probably boring God to death right now as we type.

I just like things, and people. I never throw things away because of their worth. Each thing/person is valuable to me in it's own unique way. Has it's own character.

There is no RR to feel sorry for, but there was an RR, which I would like to see continue, even if he was just a burnt out old two stroke.

I suppose all any of us can do is enjoy the time given, like you said. Laughing a lot, etc..

Yes, you really have to try and make the most of your time here, it is all that we are certain of.

But, when I say grab life by the balls I don't mean the same thing for everyone. For some it may be trying out skydiving or bungee jumping, for others it may be discovering that The Gospel of Mark has two different endings, for others it could be getting out of a suffocating relationship.

In a way I do feel sorry for RR because 58 years on this earth is no time at all really, it is young by today's standards. So I feel sorry that he didn't have what I consider a 'good innings', so he may have been a little bit cheated there.

My mum was only 59 when she died, my brother was 49 and I feel the same way about them. Life is so fragile, you never know when it will end, that's why we Scots have an old tradition that you never go to sleep on an argument, if there's been an argument with a loved one you always talk it out before you go to sleep.

It is a nice idea that my mum, dad and brother could be sitting chatting with RR and many others I have known, but I just cannot see that being true no matter how much we want it to be. The thought of meeting my mum, Dad and brother again for a big cuddle is a very attractive one, but I know it isn't going to happen.

We just have to accept it and make the most of what we have.

Brian.

I understand why you can't see that as true. I myself acknowledge that it is wishful thinking on my own part, to a big degree. I'm happy to be hopeful, and I accept I could easily be wrong.

I suppose it depends a lot on how plausible one thinks heaven/hell is. Hell, to me, as in - atheists burn, is totally incredulous, and cannot be true. My whole being tells me that such a God couldn't be the one who made the universe, if God exists. Heaven? If it's another earth, only peaceful, I can imagine it.

For me, it's amazing that the earth is here and we can sit and chat with eachother, in the first place. That's what makes me think it can possibly happen to us again in another reality, beyond death. Don't worry, I'm not trying to cause a debate, it's just my own opinion on that subject.

I kind of feel sorry for the latter guy, but whatever floats his boat eh.

That's bad. That is is young. I've got those things ahead of me..unless I go first.

Just have to comment that this doesn't represent what Robin said very well. He acknowledged many times that personally, subjectively, such things matter to all of us. His point was only that it doesn't matter in any objective sense, doesn't matter to the universe, doesn't matter to evolution. Only if there is a God would the fate of human beings matter in an objective sense, and he didn't believe in God, therefore he said it didn't matter objectively what happened to any of us. But he always agreed that it matters to us personally and subjectively.

Contrary to what others are saying here, I believe it's extremely important to think about what happens after death -- as opposed to focusing simply on trying to have the best possible time in this life (as if that would have any value in the end whether you were conscious or not after death). Obviously if we don't just go out like a light, if we don't cease to exist, then it matters enormously what we encounter after death. People make such dogmatic statements about ceasing to exist after death as if it were a known fact, something that couldn't possibly be known so certainly. Since it can't be known so certainly, how can it be a waste of time trying to find out?

My mother was 61 when she died, my father 67, not very old, and my brother died at 46. Barring a last-minute conversion unwitnessed by anyone, they all died unsaved. This does not make me happy, to say the least, but it also doesn't make me stop believing that eternal life comes only through faith in Jesus Christ.

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That's because a lot of people don't believe in the supernatural easily. As far as they can tell, it doesn't exist, because there is no evidence, and there is also evidence to the contrary.

They see death and suffering as evidence against a benevolent God. Reality is contrary to religious notions.

Atheist + Agnostic = no claims bonus.

We don't get a no claims bonus because we make the claim that the supernatural exists, because we only have the natural, and A+A don't claim anything beyond it.

It's tough cheese. Chew on it and swallow like I did.

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Contrary to what others are saying here, I believe it's extremely important to think about what happens after death -- as opposed to focusing simply on trying to have the best possible time in this life (as if that would have any value in the end whether you were conscious or not after death).

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We're not talking about the value of living life to the fullest after death.

The whole point of living life to the fullest is that we are living life to the fullest, right now.

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People make such dogmatic statements about ceasing to exist after death as if it were a known fact, something that couldn't possibly be known so certainly.

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You make equally dogmatic statements about the afterlife, and about a great many more things as if they are known facts, and none of those things can't possibly be known at all, let alone "certainly".

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Since it can't be known so certainly, how can it be a waste of time trying to find out?

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Because it is an unknowable thing, by definition.

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Of course not. You don't believe in it.

Not sure why you think that would be news.

Yes, but I make it on the basis of objective external evidence, whether you appreciate that evidence or not, I don't make it on the basis of my mere subjective opinion about what seems to me the way things should happen, as some here seem to do, or the fact that we can't experience the afterlife now, which is no evidence at all.

If God chose to reveal the truth about it, which he did, then it is not unknowable by definition at all.

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It turns out too that it has become a place for his family members to gain entry into this aspect of Robins life should they chose to do so

A time for some decorum. Please...

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If God chose to reveal the truth about it, which he did, then it is not unknowable by definition at all.

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What God?

The time has come to close the thread with these final words.