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Message 229 of 589 (887354)
08-01-2021 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
08-01-2021 6:59 AM


Re: Get Real.
I hope you didn't expect me to answer any of that crap, Phat.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 231 of 589 (887356)
08-01-2021 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Phat
08-01-2021 7:24 AM


Re: Get Real.
But I expected you to think a bit about philosophy and about how not all religionist types are clueless and dense.
But, Phat, that is not true. We already know, and have known for centuries, that religious types are in fact clueless, dense, illogical, violent, dangerous and evil. Down right stupid is what they are, Phat. This is fact. We know this.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 237 of 589 (887385)
08-01-2021 7:37 PM
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08-01-2021 10:47 AM


Re: Get Real.
No, Phat.
You confirmed in Message 230 that I didn't have to answer.
It's too late. You are not a girl so you don't get to change your mind.

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Message 244 of 589 (887423)
08-03-2021 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by ICANT
08-02-2021 11:41 PM


Re: Get Real.
Are you saying everything and I mean everything had a beginning to exist?
Even existence itself.
Sounds reasonable, but lacking evidence, we can't say this is so.
AZPaul3 writes:
Actually, there is an energy force that is blowing this universe apart
Then what is the big deal about dark matter and dark energy holding the universe together?
The big deal, Reverend, is you have your concepts wrong. Can't argue about what each is doing if you don't understand what each is really doing.
Dark energy (appears to be what) is causing the expansion of spacetime to accelerate and may, eventually, tearing this universe appart. Dark energy is what is causing those far away galaxies to speed away from us
Dark matter (its gravitational effects) is what is holding the galaxies together and it is the force that will cause all 100+- galaxies of our local group to merge into one in the next hundred billion years or so regardless of the expansion.
AZPaul3 writes:
What does it take to build a universe like ours? Nobody knows, ICANT. Especially not you or any of your religious colleagues.
It takes energy and lots of it.
Indeed to takes more than you and I can muster together these days, my old friend.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 245 of 589 (887424)
08-03-2021 3:57 AM
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08-03-2021 12:20 AM


Re: Get Real.
For the two Galaxies to get closer together the space has to shrink.
Bad choice of words there ICANT. Semantics are important.
The spacetime fabric is not shrinking. The spacetime does not disappear between galaxies anymore than the road disappears as you drive over it. That road, that spacetime you've just been through, didn't disappear from the universe but is now behind you.
You may want to argue, rather pedantically, that "travelled road" is "disappeared road" but that semantic usage only works if one is deliberately trying to obfuscate the discussion.
So the space between the two is getting smaller. Which the last time I checked means contracting.
Then you need to check again. And, please, get it right this time.
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AZPaul3
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Message 252 of 589 (887448)
08-04-2021 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by ICANT
08-04-2021 12:13 AM


Re: Get Real.
Why would I want to make such a stupid argument.
I hope you're not, but it is what you said.
When I go to the store I travel over the road, I can look in my rear view mirror and see the road is still there behind me in the same place when I traveled over it.
And this differs from the space road travelled by Milky Way and Andromeda how?
The space that Milky Way is travelling through ends up behind us. So what? It hasn't disappeared from the universe.
If the space between the Milky Way and Andromeda is not shrinking, (contracting) explain to me how it covers the 100,000 light years of distance to get behind the Milky Way and the 220,000 light years distance to get behind Andromeda like the road does in your example.
?? explain to me how it (space ?) covers the 100,000 light years of distance to get behind the Milky Way... ??
??... and the 220,000 light years distance to get behind Andromeda like the road does in your example.
What are you asking?
What is 100,000 ly distance "behind" the Milky Way?
What is 220,000 light years "behind" Andromeda?
What does this have to do with the two galaxies being on a road 2.5 million ly apart and headed toward a collision? Doesn't matter what's behind them.
And this "how it (I assume your "it" is space) covers the 100,000 light years of distance to get behind the Milky Way ..."
"...get behind the Milky Way"? What got behind the Milky Way?
What are you talking about?
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Message 253 of 589 (887450)
08-04-2021 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by ICANT
08-04-2021 1:02 AM


Re: Get Real.
One other pet peeve.
We just have different names for that power. But you call that power whatever you want to call it.
We have accepted acknowledged names for those powers. If you care to communicate with other human beings you will use the established names. You don't get to make up your own names when the discipline has already established them.
It is because of these social mores that I call you 'reverend' instead of 'pedophile'.
Especially in a science forum, use the established terminology.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 257 of 589 (887457)
08-04-2021 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by ICANT
08-04-2021 11:03 AM


Re: Get Real.
The name I have for the power or energy has been around a lot longer than the names science has made up to call the source of the power/energy.
Doesn't matter what ancient voodoo mystics used to call anything. For modern discourse, especially in the sciences, terminology is specific for a reason. Understanding.
These are the only motive powers (forces) operating on the matter/energy of this universe that we know exist:
Electromagnetism
Weak nuclear force
Strong nuclear force
Gravity (includes dark matter)
H0 (spatial expansion, Hubble constant).
Calling these forces anything other than by their known terms is obfuscation of the discussion.
Strike out on your own path if you do not want to be understood.
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AZPaul3
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Message 258 of 589 (887458)
08-04-2021 11:33 AM
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08-04-2021 10:53 AM


Re: Get Real.
s I drive towards the store I can look behind me and the road I just traveled is right there behind me.
But with either of the galaxies the galaxies are right behind me not the space that was in front of me.
Your car is the Milky Way and Andromeda is the store. You can't get to the store (on the road or in space) without passing over/through the intervening road/space.
What do you mean the galaxies are right behind you? You are one of the galaxies (Milky Way) and you are moving headlong into the other one.
Do you think that as the Milky Way moves through space that bit of space disappears? What do you think happened to it?
You flew right through it and now it is behind you just like the road you drive over ends up behind you.
I don't understand where you think that space you just traversed goes to if not behind you as you pass over it.

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Message 260 of 589 (887460)
08-04-2021 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Percy
08-04-2021 11:38 AM


Re: Get Real.
An analogy to biological aging is not evidence of anything.
Wasn't meant to be.
This was a humorous quip to me in response to me calling him old.

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Message 280 of 589 (887543)
08-09-2021 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Michael MD
08-08-2021 9:02 PM


Re: Get Real.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 309 of 589 (888931)
10-24-2021 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Real Dismissal
Michelson-Morley's (MMX) dismissal of "any and all types of" ether was erroneous, ...
[rant=mild]
What is erroneous is your understanding and I wish you and all the other high-school-science crowd would stop with this slop. MMX showed a null result. It dismissed nothing.
[/rant]
As for the rest of your speculation I'm thinking you need a logo, an emblem that concisely represents your thoughts. Something you could put on t-shirts and coffee mugs. With this I think you'll be ready to take this further into the internet.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 314 of 589 (888949)
10-25-2021 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Phat
10-25-2021 10:15 AM


Re: Real Dismissal
Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!
That's not easy to do with brown eggs.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 333 of 589 (889420)
11-25-2021 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Percy
11-25-2021 12:36 PM


Re: Get Real.
Yeah. What you said.

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Message 350 of 589 (889450)
11-27-2021 4:18 PM


Stupid is.
Michael MD comes across as a typical frustrated Einstein wannabe with a stupid meme stuck in his weak head.
If it's fake then, frankly, I don't care. He insists on being stupid and therefore stupid he is.
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