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AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 244 (888410)
09-17-2021 9:45 PM
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09-17-2021 9:21 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
You have only denied my premises.
And that destroys your sillyjisms.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 107 of 244 (888411)
09-17-2021 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Christian7
09-17-2021 9:26 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
You're just quoting information from somewhere else and saying that whatever conclusion I came to is wrong because some other source contradicts it.
Ahh, well, yeah. That is the way reality works. I quote our science and when it says you're wrong then you are wrong.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 108 of 244 (888412)
09-17-2021 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
09-17-2021 9:45 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
quote:
And that destroys your sillyjisms.
My syllogisms are destroyed because you deny my premises?

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Message 109 of 244 (888413)
09-17-2021 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by AZPaul3
09-17-2021 9:48 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
quote:
Ahh, well, yeah. That is the way reality works. I quote our science and when it says you're wrong then you are wrong.
Then science is not self-correcting. For if science were self-correcting, then where it says I am wrong, I could be right. Otherwise science cannot ever be wrong. Therefore it cannot be self-correcting.

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AZPaul3
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Message 110 of 244 (888414)
09-17-2021 10:11 PM
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09-17-2021 9:54 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
Then science is not self-correcting. For if science were self-correcting, then where it says I am wrong, I could be right. Otherwise science cannot ever be wrong. Therefore it cannot be self-correcting.
What a twisted dumbfuck of an argument.
Science is not religion. We don't ascribe to stone age concepts disproven long ago.
And when it comes to your specific brand of bullshit, when the science says you are wrong, it means, C7(77), that you, personally, are wrong. No corrections required.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 111 of 244 (888415)
09-17-2021 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by AZPaul3
09-17-2021 10:11 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
quote:
What a twisted dumbfuck of an argument.
Science is not religion. We don't ascribe to stone age concepts disproven long ago.
And when it comes to your specific brand of bullshit, when the science says you are wrong, it means, C7(77), that you, personally, are wrong. No corrections required.
Then instead of resorting to vulgar language, which proves nothing, why don't you refute the argument?
Science didn't always say what it says now. They would have said the same thing to those who contradicted where it was wrong, whether experts or laymen. And either one of them could have been right, the scientific knowledge being wrong.
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AZPaul3
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Message 112 of 244 (888416)
09-17-2021 10:23 PM
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09-17-2021 9:52 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
Your sillyjisms are bullshit. They were wrong from inception.
That appears to be a major problem with you. You're so in love with your sense of logic that you can't see the flaws embedded.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 113 of 244 (888417)
09-17-2021 10:30 PM
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09-17-2021 10:23 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
quote:
Your sillyjisms are bullshit. They were wrong from inception.
That appears to be a major problem with you. You're so in love with your sense of logic that you can't see the flaws embedded.
You still haven't refuted my argument.

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Message 114 of 244 (888418)
09-17-2021 10:32 PM


How do I do the blue box quotes?

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AZPaul3
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Message 115 of 244 (888420)
09-17-2021 10:45 PM
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09-17-2021 10:18 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
Just be cause science doesn't know everything does not mean we know nothing.
Most things we know very very well, indeed, and in those things, like known evidenced physics, you cannot challenge it with religious bullshit.
Use:
[qs]...[/qs]
or use
[quote]...[/quote]
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 116 of 244 (888421)
09-17-2021 10:47 PM
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09-17-2021 10:32 PM


How do I do the blue box quotes?
You can click on "peek" to see how it was done.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 117 of 244 (888422)
09-17-2021 10:50 PM


Here are two simple syllogisms. Can you refute them, by proving the falsity of the premises, or the invalidity of the argument, not by denying the conclusion based on some other source. For if the premises are true, the conclusion must follow, if the form of the syllogism is valid, proving the other sources false. Otherwise logic is illogical.
A: If the universe does not make sense, it violates the laws of meaning and logic.
B: The universe cannot violate the laws of meaning and logic.
C: Therefore, the universe makes sense according to meaning and logic.
A: For the universe to make sense according to meaning and logic, it must make sense to a mind.
B: The universe makes sense according to meaning and logic.
C: Therefore, the universe cannot exist without a mind.
When I used to present tense, I refer to the tense of the factual always. (Sorry for the bizzare term.)

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Message 118 of 244 (888423)
09-17-2021 10:56 PM
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09-17-2021 10:45 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
Just be cause science doesn't know everything does not mean we know nothing.
Most things we know very very well, indeed, and in those things, like known evidenced physics, you cannot challenge it with religious bullshit.
But there is no certainty is science, as Percy said, and therefore nothing is proven, and nothing can be certain to anyone.
Thank you.

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AZPaul3
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Message 119 of 244 (888424)
09-17-2021 11:01 PM
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09-17-2021 10:30 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
Your arguments were refuted hundreds of years ago.
We have no need to re-examine your failed religious tracts. It is a waste of electrons.
It's like trying to argue vaccines with a trumpette.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 120 of 244 (888425)
09-17-2021 11:02 PM
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09-17-2021 10:45 PM


Re: Bad Philosophy
What I'm trying to say is this: We know that certain things are true about the universe, not because we have evidence, but because what we believe is true. If we have evidence, but that evidence if faulty, yet we believe that evidence to be solid, then though we believe the conclusions, we do not know the conclusion as truth, though we have what seems to be solid evidence. This is because knowledge requires truth, not just evidence. And even without evidence, as long as the thing trusted in is true, then it is knowledge. For if I hear that something has happened, and I believe it, though I have no evidence for it, yet if it did happen, then I know what I believe to be true.

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