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Tangle Member Posts: 9668 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Phat writes: I think that *you* think that I will treat Raphael the same way I responded to ICANT For once you're right. Please prove me wrong - try not to genuflect.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Hello Tangle. You said:
Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved. This is simply an evolution vs. creation issue. Theobservable science actually supports creation. Evolution does nothing for science, and sciencedoes nothing for evolution. It is observable science (since recorded history) thatan animal will have offsprings of the same kind. The same goes for humans. Human mothers will always have human babies. Professors cannot give an observable example whereone animal evolved (macro) into an entirely different kind of animal. You are free to believe in your fairy tale, if you wish, butthat is called blind faith, not science.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9668 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Candle writes: This is simply an evolution vs. creation issue. Theobservable science actually supports creation. So how come it was creationists that confirmed evolution as fact?
Evolution does nothing for science, and science
Have you got that written on your bumper?
does nothing for evolution. It is observable science (since recorded history) that an animal will have offsprings of the same kind. The same goes for humans. Human mothers will always have human babies. Yes, that's what science tells us.
Professors cannot give an observable example where one animal evolved (macro) into an entirely different kind of animal. Do you think they should be able to? If so why?
You are free to believe in your fairy tale, if you wish, but that is called blind faith, not science. I gave up my belief in fairy tales and blind faith when I was still a child. And the reason had nothing to do with evolution - which I'd never heard of. The reason was because it became clear that faith is indoctrinated bullshit.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Hello Tangle. You asked:
Explain why a god (God) that loves you will also torture you. There is no burning in hell (Gehenna) for eternity.The Bible does teach eternal punishment, but not eternal punishing. There is a huge different. Our only two options are diametrically opposed toeach other. One is eternal life; the other is death. Those now dead know absolutely nothing. Theypossess no knowledge, wisdom, nor awareness. Those who suffer the second death will be awareof nothing for eternity.
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ringo Member (Idle past 776 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Not to the punishee. The Bible does teach eternal punishment, but noteternal punishing. There is a huge different. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Professors who preach that evolution is a fact
should put up or shut up. Observable science supports creation. Animals andhumans produce their own kind.
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
You said. Not to the punishee.
Did you mean punisher?
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PaulK Member Posts: 18083 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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quote: They have. If you don’t know about it that’s really your problem. Evolution explains why taxonomy produces a nested tree, the observed patterns of biogeography as well as the order of the fossil record - and the many transitional fossils found. (You may prefer “morphological intermediates” for the last, but I’ve used the more common term) as well as much other evidence.
quote: Which is also the case if gradual evolution is true. Hardly a support for creationism.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9668 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
candle writes: Animals and humans produce their own kind. Science does not disagree with you. I don't think you understand what you're disagreeing with.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
There is no fossil record. There is just piles of
bones that were deposited in great heaps by a global flood. Also, "gradual evolution" is not observable. "Kind" of animal reproducing the same "kind"is observable--again, again, and again. This is exactly what I expect. After all, Godstated matter-of-fact that kind would produce the same kind. He was right.
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nwr Member Posts: 6492 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined:
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There is no fossil record. There is just piles of
There never was a great flood. Doubtless, there were many small local floods, but never a great flood.
bones that were deposited in great heaps by a global flood. Also, "gradual evolution" is not observable.
We are observing it in real time, with COVID-19.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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PaulK Member Posts: 18083 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
quote: There certainly is.
quote: If that were true it would still be a fossil record. However we know that it is not true. The order in the fossil record - identified in the early 19th Century, when Charles Darwin was still a child - has no viable explanation in the Flood.
quote: Mutation and natural selection have both been observed. Also, it is necessary only that the evidence be observable. Nobody has observed a complete orbit of Pluto around the Sun, but nobody doubts the orbit, or that Pluto had completed many such orbits.(Pluto’s orbital period is close to 250 years, but it was first observed in 1909) quote: And we know that offspring can be different from their parents, and that that change can accumulate over time. If “kind reproducing the same kind” is compatible with that, then it is compatible with evolution.
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Admin Director Posts: 13149 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
This probably isn't the best thread for a discussion of evolution. There are some recently active evolution threads that are more suitable:
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Candle3 Member Posts: 983 Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Paul, you can say it over and over again, but it doesn't
make it true.The fossils do not support evolution. Fossils are piles of bones that were deposited in greatheaps by a global flood. Let me tell you a little secret: fossils do not comeWith tags on them, stating how old they are. A worldwide flood would sort many of the fossils intosize and density before depositing them. In any event, the bottom layer would contain fish fossils.Above these would be amphibians, then reptiles (Including dinosaurs). Above these would be birds and mammals, including humans. This last group would be on the highest ground;Thereby, assuring that they would be last to die. And, less likely to be covered by sediment, which would leave minimal fossils. Fossils are open to interpretation. ObservableScience (kind of animal reproducing the same Kind of animal for all of recorded history) is not. We have now observed that many dinosaurfossils have significant amounts of C-14 in them. Being generous to a fault, C-14 should be undetectable after 100,000 years. Instead of changing their beliefs to fit the facts,evolutionists insist that iron is responsible for the C-14 amounts, even after 75,000,000 years. Evolution is faith-based, and a really weird oneat that.
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