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ICANT
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Message 196 of 589 (887318)
07-31-2021 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by AZPaul3
07-30-2021 2:22 AM


Re: Get Real.
Hi AZPaull
AZPaul3 writes:
No one has.
I do.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 197 of 589 (887319)
07-31-2021 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by ICANT
07-31-2021 2:20 AM


Re: Get Real.
AZPaul3 writes:
No one has.
I do.
Yes, your fantasies are well known.
However, do understand that objective reality is supreme and requires lots of very strong evidence. Evidence which you cannot provide.
Without evidence of efficacy, Reverend, your fantasies are ... well ... your fantasies; your personal dreams which carry no weight in the running of this universe.
And, no, you don't have any viable origin, either.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 198 of 589 (887320)
07-31-2021 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by ICANT
07-28-2021 6:37 PM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
The reason being that math they keep pounding on you about breaks down and becomes silent at T=0.
Yes, because that was all answered CENTURIES AGO in CALCULUS!!! Newton (Sir Isaac, One Each), late 1600's, who basically invented Calculus in order to properly explain what he was learning about how the universe actually worked.
You don't even know any CALCULUS? You have no clue whatsoever what an actual singularity is? And you have the hubris to pontificate to US about it?
What a complete farking icehole you are! (Quick! Name that movie! It's your only chance at Redemption.)
The ultimate mathematical singularity (since you are parading about the name of mathematics while knowing ABSOLUTE NOTHING ABOUT IT!) is division by zero -- there's even a t-shirt: "It's all fun and games until somebody divides by zero." Practically ALL of calculus centers around what happens NOT at the point of dividing by zero, but rather analyzing what happens AS YOU APPROACH DIVIDING BY ZERO. That's called "limits" the most boring yet fundamental part of learning Calculus. THAT is paradoxically when mathematics starts to get really interesting. My father-in-law with a BS in Math would say that you don't even begin to learn any math until you have learned Calculus. So obviously YOU (personally) have never learned any math, so whoever died and made YOU the Pontiff of Mathematics?
 
So then to your fake argument about "t=0". That's like dividing by zero. A non-argument that is meaningless, like any argument about any singularity.
But rather, what happens as you approach that singularity? -- BTW, what happens as you approach a singularity from the left of from the right can be very different -- but then your intellect is already far too challenged. Oh, that can be so very meaningful.
But you wipe away any meaningful discussion by focusing solely on the singularity itself instead of what happens as you approach that singularity.
What a farking icehole you reveal yourself to be!
Edited by dwise1, : Further ellucidation for the terminally and willfully studid

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Phat
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Message 199 of 589 (887321)
07-31-2021 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by dwise1
07-31-2021 10:21 AM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
First off, Dwise1, I note that you are even nice to your antagonists. You have the rare art of being able to reprimand and belittle someone's intelligence without belittling them personally.
As for you, Pastor...how have you been?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 200 of 589 (887322)
07-31-2021 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by ICANT
07-28-2021 6:37 PM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
Pastor, I appreciate you having a heart for Michael. None of us fully understand the mind of God except through Christ and even then we are mere infants in our knowledge of Him. Turning to the Science behind these theories is one social icebreaker to initiate conversation, but I keep in mind that the question becomes
1) Is It Science?
2) Did He always exist? (Before we humans could even be evolved enough to invent Him)
3) Are supernaturally guided events by nature scientific in the sense of measure and objective evidence?
God Bless

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 201 of 589 (887323)
07-31-2021 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by ICANT
07-31-2021 2:02 AM


Collision Or Expansion?
I just HAD to ask The Oracle at Google for some information about this assertion!
If the universe is expanding, why are we on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy?
I'm still confused.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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PaulK
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Message 202 of 589 (887324)
07-31-2021 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Phat
07-31-2021 10:40 AM


Re: Collision Or Expansion?
The explanation is there. The gravitational forces produced by the matter in the galaxies pulls them together faster than the expansion of the universe is pulling them apart.

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Phat
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Message 203 of 589 (887325)
07-31-2021 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by AZPaul3
07-30-2021 2:22 AM


Re: Get Real.
AZ writes:
That is what everyone has been telling you. Origins we don't have. No one has.
All of us have an origin. Don't we?
1) Is it a common origin?
2)Is it entirely biological and chemical or is this conclusion unknown?
3)Were we given brains and minds to lead, follow, or get out of the way?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 204 of 589 (887326)
07-31-2021 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Taq
07-30-2021 12:20 PM


Re: Fair Warning
Taq do you personally think that non-life could ever produce life? As I ponder it, it seems fairly obvious. A spark of some sort is needed. Sorta like Frankenstein.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 205 of 589 (887327)
07-31-2021 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Tanypteryx
07-30-2021 12:49 AM


Re: Fair Warning
Why do you get so mad at him? He is just trying to have a conversation!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 206 of 589 (887328)
07-31-2021 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by AZPaul3
07-31-2021 2:55 AM


Re: Get Real.
However, do understand that objective reality is supreme and requires lots of very strong evidence. Evidence which you cannot provide.
Objective reality will in time provide its own evidence. It won't ever be your evidence which defines (or refines the definition) of objective reality. It is the other way around. We are all on a level playing field.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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PaulK
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Message 207 of 589 (887329)
07-31-2021 11:06 AM
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07-31-2021 10:57 AM


Re: Fair Warning
quote:
Why do you get so mad at him?
The falsehoods he spouts in his wilful ignorance seems the most likely reason.
quote:
He is just trying to have a conversation!
Then he is doing a very bad job of it.

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dwise1
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Message 208 of 589 (887330)
07-31-2021 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Phat
07-31-2021 10:29 AM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
First off, Dwise1, I note that you are even nice to your antagonists.
My primary concern is for the truth. I always try to speak the truth regardless of my degree of drunkenness (I offer apologies all around for all such transgressions). My intent is always towards the actual facts.
It is normally the ideas, not the person that must be addressed. But when the person himself is at fault, then, yes, it sadly must become about the person.
... and that [ICANT] has had these pet ideas regarding a universal theory marrying science and religion/Bible for quite some time
A huge problem with any attempt at "marrying science and religion/Bible" which requires a view of religion and the Bible which agrees with reality (reality being the science part) is that reality must always have the final word in the matter. If your only purpose is to subvert science in favor of sectarian religious beliefs that are so clearly contrary to fact (which is the only purpose of so many creationists and "apologists"), then do please kindly FUCK THE FUCK OFF, YOU FUCKIING IDIOTS!!!!
Viewed properly, there is absolutely no conflict between evolution and belief in God as the Creator. None whatsoever. The "creation/evolution controversy" exists only within the creationist mind (if I may speak so broadly as to endow them with the power of thought).
If you disagree, then do please explain it to me. That is something that I've never seen happen. Ever.
 
Edited by dwise1, : a bit more clarification and exposition in the second part

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AZPaul3
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Message 209 of 589 (887331)
07-31-2021 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Phat
07-31-2021 10:45 AM


Re: Get Real.
All of us have an origin. Don't we?
Read up-thread. You are taking this origin thing off track.
We're talking the moment of creation, how the stuff of the universe came into being. The origin of the universe, Phat, not you individually.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 210 of 589 (887332)
07-31-2021 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Phat
07-31-2021 10:57 AM


Re: Fair Warning
Why do you get so mad at him? He is just trying to have a conversation!
He is lecturing. That's not even trying to have a conversation.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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