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Tanypteryx
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Message 129 of 589 (886350)
05-16-2021 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Michael MD
05-16-2021 3:25 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
This meant that the elemental ether units,
Would those be etherons?
that would have formed first-causally,
Can you explain what this means?
and that make up the preponderance of the ether, are vanishingly smaller than the photons.
What percentage is preponderance? So what size is a photon? And what value does vanishingly smaller represent?
The photon merely "brushes them aside," inertially, as it moves, so the light beams and the ether don't interact as MMX assumes.
Wait, I thought MMX concluded ether and light don't interact.
That is behind my model's explanation for quantum entanglement.
What is quantum entanglement and what is your model's explanation for it?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 131 of 589 (886372)
05-17-2021 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Michael MD
05-17-2021 7:21 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
That is behind my model's explanation for quantum entanglement.
What is quantum entanglement and what is your model's explanation for it?
According to the ether model I work with, there are two kinds of ether units: elemental units, which are extremely tiny, and less-predominant ether units I call "etheroidal," which are formed as elemental units combine via a vibratory-contact mechanism (when any linear force happens to affect un-energized, randomly-vibrating, small ether units, their vibrations become more aligned, which causes them to entrain into larger and larger ether units.)
You make some specific statements about ether units here that would seem impossible for you to know, since you cannot tell us how to detect ether. What observations led you to this insight?
In my model , etheroidal units are the basis of gravitational attraction
How did you determine this?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 135 of 589 (886379)
05-18-2021 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Michael MD
05-18-2021 7:36 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You are correct, I derived my basic ideas about the ether from an outside source, via a long term codebreaking study. (If you check through this Thread, you can find where I described this more fully in an earlier post.)
Oh, I didn't think you were serious. That's pretty impressive that you knew exactly where the code was hidden.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 136 of 589 (886380)
05-18-2021 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Son Goku
05-18-2021 8:41 AM


Re: Entanglement
Yeah as mentioned above Entanglement doesn't need an explanation, since we already have one.
It seems like that is a big flaw with every one of these new theories of the Universe, they are convinced that they can overthrow everything we already know with a new vague handwave. The people who come up with these new ideas don't seem to think advances in human knowledge are built on past advances.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 156 of 589 (887065)
07-06-2021 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Michael MD
07-06-2021 7:18 AM


Re: Fair Warning
I submit that my ether model proposes a much more rational first-causal setting than does the Big Bang theory.
So, you think you have discovered an important new feature of the Universe that is not only adding to our knowledge, but will over throw everything we have already learned about the Universe? Everyone needs a hobby I guess. All you lack is any detectable evidence or any way to find it.
You don't seem to know what a scientific model is.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 159 of 589 (887073)
07-07-2021 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Michael MD
07-07-2021 7:56 AM


Re: Fair Warning
We have no detectable evidence of the ether
And yet, you describe as if you have detected evidence...
quote:
its predominant units are post-first-causal, and first-world-elemental in origin, they are "inter-worldly" in terms of their origin, and so small compared to our quantum/atomic-based abilities to detect
You are just a bullshitter.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 164 of 589 (887257)
07-27-2021 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Michael MD
07-08-2021 8:58 AM


Re: Fair Warning
This is getting to be a lengthy Thread, but I described, in one earlier post, having done some codebreaking work, which purported to reveal not only the basic concepts concerning the ether, but also how to go about detecting it using our own kinds of technology.
I guess you might think it's lengthy since you've been unable to find any support for your fantasy.
Prayer and supernatural revelation has a horrible record of explaining anything in the Universe.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 168 of 589 (887264)
07-28-2021 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by ICANT
07-28-2021 1:58 AM


Re: Fair Warning
He is just looking for a reason he can believe in the Cosmic egg theory of creation.
Huh, I've never heard of that. Beliefs are pretty worthless too.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 171 of 589 (887268)
07-28-2021 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ICANT
07-28-2021 6:03 PM


Re: Fair Warning
ICANT writes:
So are you saying...
Nope, you are saying that and falsely trying to attribute it to me.
I simply said that I do not remember hearing about the Cosmic egg theory of creation.
I am really interested in physics, astrophysics, cosmology, particle physics, etc. but I don't know very much, so I'm always trying to learn more. There may have been discussions here or books I have read using Cosmic egg theory of creation, but if there were it didn't register in my consciousness. It sounds more like slang to me or maybe a Jesus Freak rock and roll album title.
ICANT writes:
His assumptions sounds just as true to me as your assumptions
That would not surprise me at all, if you knew my assumptions, but you do not.
You seem to be trying to make the discussion about you.
One thing I have learned, while watching you over the years, is that you could never help me understand anything about physics.
I am interested in observational data. Watching and recording a supernova evolve in multiple wavelengths and at multiple energies and seeing how well the observations match predictions. Observing completely new phenomena, trying to observe it again and understand it is science.
All those hypotheses that you get your panties in a bunch about are not the answer because we haven't collected nearly enough data yet. You want science to provide rock solid answers, but that is not the function of science. Instead, it is a systematic method of learning more about the Universe. Any actual theory of the Universe has to include explanations of ALL THE DATA that we have observed so far.
You try to get people here to defend hypotheses as if they are complete theories against the ICANT creation fantasy because its certainly not still collecting observations. Your creation fantasy is never going to explain the observations.
Piss Off,

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 175 of 589 (887281)
07-29-2021 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by ICANT
07-29-2021 10:49 AM


Re: Fair Warning
ICANT writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
All those hypotheses that you get your panties in a bunch about are not the answer because we haven't collected nearly enough data yet.
Since there is zero data, or experiments, of what existed at T=0 the Big Bang Theory is not a theory as it is based upon an assumption but a hypothesis.
You are trying to argue with me about something I have never said.
ICANT writes:
Yet it is taught a a fact.
Not to me. That sounds more like an assumption on your part. You remember your definition of an assumption? "a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof."
ICANT writes:
So where is the data that supports the universe popping into existence out of non existence?
I have no idea. None of the material I've read says that's what happened.
ICANT writes:
Could you explain the difference between Michael's assumption and the assumption that is required for the BBT.
Nope, can you?
ICANT writes:
There must be a universe existing in some form for it to expand and us be able to observe and study that process.
Thanks for clearing that up.
ICANT writes:
Since I came here in 07 my question has always been, "Where did it come from"?
Like I said before, you are demanding an answer, when you know full well that the data is insufficient to provide an answer.
The answer is "WE DON'T KNOW!!"
ICANT writes:
Would you like to give it a try? Insted of your snide remarks as you ended the post with.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. I have repeatedly stated that I am only interested in the data from our observations.
I'm only responding to your snide remarks at the end of your posts.
ICANT writes:
You are a puppet that has drank the koolaid and believe everything you are told rather than have an open mind and question everything.
So, you attack me and falsely accuse me of a position that I have never held.
ICANT writes:
Just give me the facts.
The fact is, you are an insulting ASSHOLE who knows Jack Shit about physics.
Piss Off!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 181 of 589 (887293)
07-29-2021 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by ICANT
07-29-2021 5:41 PM


Re: Fair Warning
ICANT writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Like I said before, you are demanding an answer, when you know full well that the data is insufficient to provide an answer.
The answer is "WE DON'T KNOW!!"
I was only asking you.
I know several in the scientific communities answer is ""WE DON'T KNOW!!" as I have been told that by several scientist.
Since no one knows where or how the universe began to exist, how can we know how we got from there to here?
I'm surprised you need to ask.
ICANT writes:
You want to tell me the way you believe we got from T=0 to where we are today is the only correct way possible. Why do you believe that?
What the hell is the matter with you? I have NEVER BEEN INTERESTED in telling you that. I HAVE NEVER EVEN TRIED TO TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THAT! I keep telling you that I have no interest in speculations unsupported by observational data.
ICANT writes:
I was only asking you.
And you are ignoring what I am saying. You keep making unsupported assumptions about my views.
ICANT writes:
I do claim to know non existence can not produce existence.
More unsupported assumptions on your part.
ICANT writes:
I was raised on a farm and I know life produces life, but a dead animal could only produce a bad odor.
Yep, chemistry! Isn't it grand? I guess you didn't realize that dead animals are consumed by organisms that convert dead animals into their living flesh.
If I remember there was quite a few experiments trying to produce life from non life that all failed.
Yeah well, that was fiction, Dr. Frankenstein was not real.
You have a real collection of assumptions. You remember your definition of an assumption? "a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof."
Piss Off!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 182 of 589 (887294)
07-29-2021 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by ICANT
07-29-2021 6:19 PM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:
Religion or Metaphysics will have to produce that information.
Now that is funny!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 184 of 589 (887296)
07-30-2021 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by ICANT
07-30-2021 12:44 AM


Re: Fair Warning
ICANT writes:
All of these experiments proved non life could not produce life. They did prove that life produced life.
You are mistaken. And you know Jack Shit about chemistry too.
Piss Off!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 192 of 589 (887312)
07-30-2021 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by ICANT
07-30-2021 12:57 AM


Re: Get Real.
Glad you thought so but your thoughts don't change reality.
That's true, and the reality is, that's funny.
ICANT writes:
Religion or Metaphysics will have to produce that information.
The reality is, for many thousands of years humans tried that and it turned out that it never worked a single time, ever. So, it turns out you don't have any knowledge of history, either.
ICANT writes:
Do you think that in the future time travel will be discovered
Nope, because it was discovered decades ago. We have been observing further and further back in time using the tools of astronomy and particle accelerators.
Along the way in astronomy, we have observed in visible light, Infrared and ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays, gamma rays, cosmic rays and several kinds of neutrinos. On top of that we've discovered gravitational lenses and the microwave background that lets us observe even further back in time. And now we have gravity wave detectors.
Particle accelerators have taught us about mass and energy and the forces that are created by them and what some of their properties were in the past.
The recognition of hidden properties of the Universe (Designated dark matter and dark energy for now) that we can only partially understand gives us new frontiers of study. All these methods are pushing the boundaries of what we can observe further and further back.
Actual travel in time happens at the rate of 1 second per second.
ICANT writes:
and someone can go back to T=0 and then return and write a scientific paper as to what was there and how things really happened?
T=0 is fictional and evidence that you have no clue what you're talking about. Your fixation on it is as bizarre as spending years asking everyone you see if Santa Claus has any cavities from all the cookies and milk.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 212 of 589 (887334)
07-31-2021 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Phat
07-31-2021 10:57 AM


Re: Fair Warning
Why do you get so mad at him?
I am angered by his habit of making false claims about my views, when I have not expressed them to him. Then he tries to put words in my mouth and expects me to defend his lies about me. He twists words and meanings to try and play gotcha. He acts as if everyone who disagrees with him must "believe" a flawed argument that "he" made up.
He tries to inject his stupid, fictional T=0 into every discussion. There is no such thing as T=0, it is made up in his religion addled brain.
He deliberately lies about how science is taught, i.e. "Big Bang Theory is taught as fact." That's bullshit! It is taught as a scientific theory which is based on observational data, not speculation. He gets it wrong every single time.
I doubt that he and I have a single point of view on any subject that we agree on.
He thinks science is a bunch of answers rather than a systematic method of learning how the Universe works.
Does that answer your question?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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