Religion v Spirituality

Different from other beings' consciousness? How? How do you know? Mass consciousness? What does that mean? Like culturally, maybe? Migration of ideas, maybe? I'm sorry, but what does that mean? It looks like nonsense to me. As an example of what? Natural human imagination that is "super?" You mean, "look what we can can accomplish by traveling and exchanging ideas?" Are you saying that if we all put our minds together all at once we can create some kind of super-duper creative machine? Awesome. What, exactly, is "more than just the mind?" Why qualify "the mind" with "just?" Is your mind somehow not enough? I actually like my mind. What about you?Are you stuck on the whole "we only use 10% of our brains" thing?How do you propose that we use more? And what do we use it for? To feel more "spiritual" or to resolve unanswered scientific questions? Or to control our internal organs better? Or maybe to live longer? Um...yeah. But where do these things come from except from within ourselves? Are these things that you list objects that exist outside ourselves that we have to find? Congratulations. You are human.

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

Supernatural implies aliens and ghosts and telepathy and speaking with the dead. Things of that nature which take us away from the reality of humanity.The only example at this point I can think of that is a super natural normal visible aspect of humanity is genius. I absolutely agree with every word but it must be based in reality. Have you seen the number of contestants on American idol who truly believe they have talent? It is of no use to believe you are what you are not. Belief in self of who you truly are, instead of who you want to be is where the change occurs to reach one's own ptotential.Thanks for your interesting questions. I'm not really trying to prove my concept that I do believe is true for me, but rather discuss the possibilities in the aspects of self we have not investigated with any serious commitment because we take them for granted.Although the concept seems quite simple it is not, because we are complex beings. We all have different belief systems, different life experiences, different identities but in this we are the same. We have thoughts, beliefs, emotions, imaginations, faith etc. which I believe are contained in the whole consciousness that we are only partly aware of.

Jadaris, are you looking at the emotional reaction caused by a physical action? If so, is it possible that an emotional action can cause a physical reaction?

Of course it can. What possible reason would you have to supect it could not?It would still have nothing to do with energy.

Sure it does, but it also implies invisible deities and anything that cannot be observed in the natural world. But, "genius" can be observed as a natural phenomenon and can be applied across many fields and have many definitions.How does "genius" apply to your definition of spirituality? No use? According to who? Can one believe themselves to be something they are not and then discover through the "failure" process who they are? (p.s. i have only watched the "audition" episodes of the second season of American Idol) Cannot confidence in one's abilities come along with recognizing one's weaknesses? Wanting to be "something" will likely carry you through a long process of finding out what that "something" is not. You're welcome. It's "true" for you, so what's with the "we?" Right. We all have complex emotional lives. We know that.What is the "whole consciousness?"How do you know that we are only "partly aware" of it?

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

Jaderis Like what? Someone hitting my mother? That causes both an emotional reaction and a physical one that are inseparable. I feel "anger." I know that I feel "angry" because my temperature rises and adrenaline is pumped into my system (to put it crudely). That is how I "know" that I am "angry." If I didn't have this physical reaction I would not be "angry." What is an "emotional action?"How do you separate your emotions from your physical, bodily reactions, including the involuntary ones?I know I don't. I can control impulses that come about from strong emotions, but my body feels it just the same.What is an "emotion" but your body telling you that you feel it?It doesn't make any sense to have an "emotion" without being able to feel it.

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

PS. Could you please answer the questions I asked of you?

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

We can be observed and we have invisible human aspects that are natural, so the human does not fit the category of supernatural. Originality. Yes of course, failure is a big part of growth but to fail at something over and over and never change or find one's own dreams is soul destroying. It's happening with many of our younger adults. The suicide rates are climbing. Just imagine the internet holds everything we know. All the information known to humanity is on the net. I would liken that to the whole consciousness. We can only access small parts of it at any one time.

What if your mother had hit first out of anger? Would you have the same reaction? I wonder how aware you really are of your reactions in the moment? I wonder if you have any control of your reactions in the moment? When you feel love, is it a reaction or an action? In my expereience the feeling of love comes from a thought and not from another's action, therefore it is seperate to physical action. If I speak of it I do not say I felt a physical sensation on the back of my neck, went weak at the knees and swooned. I would just say I love you.I agree the physical sensation has to accompany an emotion but it is not THE emotion.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'involuntary ones'. Here you have described them seperately. Your anger is not caused by your temperature rising or the adrenalin rush. Those physical reactions could be caused by a number of things e.g. fear. How do you know it's anger? How do you know it is not a virus? Do you have more sensations than those?

Hi Larni, you and I see it but I suspected Jaderis did not. I was trying to clarify his/her perception so as to get on the same page. It doesn't happen very often does it?

I stumbled across this old topic and...well you know me.
The topic was started by an old member named Pelican(No Longer Active) I am only going to focus on posts made(then) by current active members. So I responded. And I think very similar if not approximately as I thought and believed then: