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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Oh, you won't find gullible rubes here RL - you'll find critical, intelligent thinkers who challenge not just you, but each other. You won't silence us by trying to dismiss us - you'll amuse us, but not challenge us. You're an opponent we're used to beating and see running away.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
RL addressing PaulK writes:
OK. Lets revisit my topic. (You will find that I am one of the few who dredge up old topics and revisit them...especially if I started them! )
I came here to speak to others of faith about prayers and the nature of my experiences with God. It is not my place to try to convince you. I have done my part and I will keep you in my prayers now as I said. So please just move on in peace and love my brother, you are wasting your time I assure you. Message 1 Topic Starter writes: For those of you who pray and who believe that you are having a conversation with God (an entity that you believe is living and aware and that is outside of your conscience,strictly speaking)Perhaps you could share some of the dynamics of the prayers, mantras, and conversations. I realize that for some of us this is an important and personal thing, so lets keep the jokes limited to ourselves. As for changing me, I believe that communication with anyone can and does potentially change me a little bit every day. I prefer not to be an old stick in the mud. RL writes: I feel much the same way sometimes. Othet times I feel nothing at all, but I am aware that God is listening. Like Santa Claus, He sees me when I'm sleeping. He knows when Im awake. he knows if Ive been bad or good...so I try for goodness sake!
Here is how I pray most often: I start by asking forgiveness for my sins in the name of Jesus. I like to get clean before addressing the Holy Father. Then I pray for whomever has triggered this need in the first place. For example, if I see a homeless person that I cannot directly go out and help, I try to at least say a prayer for them. When I feel the Lord's presence I get an overwhelming feeling that nearly instantly brings tears. It's a complex feeling, a combination of joy, relief and awe and it is very powerful. RL writes: Ask anyone here how strong my faith is. They never worry about my faith. They are more concerned with my daily actions. our original post was asking about how we as individuals pray and what our own personal experiences with God have been like. I absolutely loved this idea for a topic! But here has been none of that discussion at all...not even from you the original poster. Can I ask you why not? I almost feel like you are standing at the water's edge, just a little too cautious to jump fully into faith. I ask you to jump right into the water and fully embrace Jesus. He will carry your burdens, but you have to give it to Him! Do not let anyone here make you feel any shame for your faith. Be a proud Christian and shrug off these meat hooks that the enemy is trying to get into you."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1063 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
I guess I still don't understand why you are all in this particular thread? No one has answered that. This thread is about how people of faith pray and personal experiences with God. Why are you unfaithful even here if the entire point of the thread presupposes the audience have faith?
You give yourselves away I'm afraid. You all have plenty of places to share your thoughts about how silly believers are, but when you choose to come into a thread like this which is specifically supposed to be a place for people to share their faith... I see you. I deny you. You will never have this follower of Christ. Edited by robertleva, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Presumably you gave up when you found that your assertions were indefensible.
quote: And yet the points I took issue with were not about either, were they? What you came here to do matters much less than what you actually do.
quote: You may indeed be a lost cause, mired in dishonesty and delusion - and I don’t refer to Christianity. But even that doesn’t mean that I am wasting my time by correcting your falsehoods. The truth is important, whatever you may think.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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It is not my place to try to convince you. I have done my part and I will keep you in my prayers now as I said. So please just move on in peace and love my brother, you are wasting your time I assure you. But you forget the lurkers, who are always with us. 76 of them right now (as of the moment I started this edit). How you conduct yourself in discussion (this is a discussion forum, not a circle-jerk. If you are looking for a circle-jerk, then find a creationist forum where non-creationists are immediately expelled the moment they raise any kind of question (several members here have had that experience) while the creationists are encouraged to circle up to their hearts' content. Of course, they'll never learn anything either. Creationist Dr. Jonathan Sarfati of Creation Ministries International and associated with Answers in Genesis also expressed concern about the negative effects for the Christian message when onlookers watch a Christian use bad claims and arguments (which is true of all creationist and most Christian arguments, but Sarfati was careful to not go there). From his feedback letter (AiG Negative Feedback, 02 December 2002 (link broken)) in response to Kent Hovind's angry letter denouncing the AiG article, "Claims We Really Wish Creationists Would Not Use":
quote: His colleague, Dr. Don Batten, said of Carl Baugh, a very rich source of really bad creationist claims:
quote: Both of those leading creationists were issuing the same warnings that I have been for decades: using false claims can only do harm to your cause and to your own faith. It has been said that creationism is perhaps the greatest leading contributor to the spread and growth of atheism. By demonstrating to the lurkers the weakness of your position, you are making your own contribution to that effect.
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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It's a place to debate, not to preach and worship. The clue is in the letter V.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1063 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote:You are completely right my brother. I still love you as a son of almighty God. Say anything you want to about me. I will accept it all and more, brother. I love you and I forgive you and I pray for you. God bless. -Most folks call me Rob.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Robert, check out this link. Message 1
Also this one. Message 55 Dr.Lennox is also one of my favorite apologists. I will say this, however. The peanut gallery here is collectively as good as any apologetic argument online. If I ever become an apologist, I will have them to thank for it. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You will note that I didn’t say that you were a lost cause. If you can be lead to honesty that would be something worthwhile.
Look back over your behaviour and ask yourself whether it really reflects well on your faith. If your arguments fail then have the honesty to admit that rather than trying to pretend that you never made it, or to pretending that you are being unfairly attacked for your faith.
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1063 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote: Loved this thanks for that! I will try and tune out the noise and speak to you specifically Phat. Here is an interesting idea I had about our prayers: To sum it up I was thinking that Jesus may well be beyond time, and so we can send Him prayers right now to console Him during the time of crucifixion. We can let Him know that He is saving millions of souls and we appreciate it and we are thankful and grateful to Him. Even if that is not how it works, I figure the Lord knows the intent of our hearts regardless and this is a good prayer no matter what. The story of the night before the crucifixion hits home for me personally too. It tells of Jesus asking for His apostles, His friends, to stay up all night for some company. He knew what was to come, the enormity of it, and He wanted some company to share that burden with. The apostles...fell asleep. This story hits me because there have been so many nights when I felt dread about the next day for what ever reasons. I have been blessed to have had a wife to be there with me during these times. We get through these testing times with prayers and faith. I pray for Jesus to receive comfort then as well, if it possible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't think of brotherhood in terms of closeness. I have one brother who lives 350 miles away, I haven't seen him face-to-face in six years and he doesn't have a phone or Internet. But he's my brother.
People at church call me "brother" all the time, but I feel closer to you, AZ, PaulK, Tangle, and even jar (and those of you whom I didnt mention) than I do to the members at church. Phat writes:
The next step is to realize that that "spirit" has nothing to do with any external entity.
I can always tell when you have the Spirit because you speak with an added sense of humor. Phat writes:
If there was an (alien over)Lord, my guess is that he would weep over the likes of robertleva. ...and yet He weeps as well because so few of His chosen guests even bothered to show up at the banquet."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Many of us used to have faith. This thread is about how people of faith pray and personal experiences with God. Why are you unfaithful even here if the entire point of the thread presupposes the audience have faith?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I’ve found a transcript of one of the debates and proposed a topic to discuss it.
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1063 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined:
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quote: One must learn to differentiate between the glory of almighty God, and the evil that has been done in His name. I am on your side most likely in most of what you do not like about religion. I claim no "sect" of Christianity, I am simply a man who accepts Christ as his savior and I try to read and follow the Bible. I pray for the understanding to know Him better as well. I think dividing Christians into "Catholics" and "Protestants" is the work of the enemy. There is only one core belief that matters and that is faith in Christ. As long as we share that, we can be saved. I have long been wary of any type of organized religion, the organizations themselves, NOT the flock. That is not to say that the churches do nothing to help the flock, of course they do. I just feel like the time has come to destroy all the trivial details that we have been using to divide up the Christian population. I ask you to set aside all this negativity that consumes your posts for a second and rationally consider this question: Is it possible that the evils done in the name of God have stopped you from giving believers a fair chance here on this forum? Edited by robertleva, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Christianity is NOT about getting saved, it's about making this life better for all.
The Salvation Christianity is the work of Satan.My Website: My Website
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